RTG's Caribbean 21 lie

[cipher]

Not nice, Cipher. English might not be this poster's first language, you know. I know I'd sound pretty funny trying to post in a language that wasn't my own.

Was it something I said?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????

Cipher

[linda7]

Hi Bryan,

Thank you so much for explaining the RTG situation. I thank you, also, for correcting me...you did say to "boycott" the group of casinos. I posted from memory, and we all know my memory is somewhat shot. Please know that I was not questioning your integrity whatsoever. I have the most respect for you and all that you do for us players. You are honest and decent.

***hugs***
Your Friend,
Linda

[slotchik]

I just don't understand why the casino can't just post the game logs proving something ONE way or the OTHER~~~
Makes NO sense at all!!! They HAVE to have proof or PAY THE FRIGGIN player right?????

[caruso]

Was it something I said?????

I wouldn't worry - I'm tempted to say worse.

Poor little Hampton. Such a stellar rep, now being dragged through the mud. And RTG. Muddying their good name so unfairly. Where is the justice.

LOOOOOOL.

I'll agree with Slotchik on this occasion. The game logs should identify foul play. If they're clean, he's paid. If they're not, he's not.

Casino won't release logs to player.

Damn, I really can't figure out what that might mean.

[cipher]

I wouldn't worry - I'm tempted to say worse.

Poor little Hampton. Such a stellar rep, now being dragged through the mud. And RTG. Muddying their good name so unfairly. Where is the justice.

LOOOOOOL.

I'll agree with Slotchik on this occasion. The game logs should identify foul play. If they're clean, he's paid. If they're not, he's not.

Casino won't release logs to player.

Damn, I really can't figure out what that might mean.

I'm just waiting for the HAMPTON CASINO and REALTIME GAMING to come up with the old "that information is not available to the player" routine. At which time I'll gladly post a session of more than 7,000 hands of my play that was sent to me directly from REALTIME GAMING investigations department and incident to exactly the same song and dance ROBOT b.s

CIPHER

[HamptonCasino]

Dear readers,

This message is from Hampton Casino and is addressed in general to the gaming community.

This pertains to the volumes of messages posted regarding our operation by "Pirateofc21" and the responses to them.

We post this to clear the air once and for all. Here's the facts and subsequently proof to back them up :

1> "Pirateofc21" signed up with our casino with the intention to defraud us using his "Robot software" the use of which is strictly forbidden at Hampton Casino as explained at our Terms and Conditions page http://www.hamptoncasino.com/legal.asp
2> He misled us during the period of his play at our casino and got higher limits from the casino manager as that favored his robot's playing strategy
3> He ran his balance up to 1.3 Million Dollars and requested a withdrawal
4> We were at that time completely unaware of the illegal robot play in his account and began paying him his payout just like we have done with thousands of players over the past few years
5> We did however launch a detailed investigation into the play done in this account
6> Our software/technical experts detected robot play and determined that no human could have possibly been playing in that account
7> By that time we had already paid him $ 22500 in installments of $ 4000 a week as per our terms and conditions. We of course stopped these payments immediately.
8> We realized that it would be very hard to present the evidence at hand to the gaming community and prove his guilt and our innocence since the evidence was extremely technical hence we decided to engage in phone conversations with "Pirateofc21" for the purpose of making him admit his guilt and making this a lot easier on all of us
9> Ron Lewin (our casino manager) engaged in extensive conversations with him in which the player admitted to having this robot and even offered to sell it for $ 300,000.

The relevant part of those conversations can be listened to by clicking the link below. You will need Winamp or some other MP3 player to listen. If you do not have an MP3 player installed on your computer then you may download Winamp from http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/...mp502_lite.exe (0.6 MB only)

The conversation itself is 5.59 MB and can be downloaded from :

http://www.hamptoncasino.com/conversation.mp3

This part of the conversation is unedited and is provided to you just like it happened.

I hope this will lay to rest any and all doubts about our honesty, integrity and intentions. We have always been more than fair to our players and I must say that I find it a bit hurtful that the community was so quick to indict a well established operation such as ours. At the same time, I would like to thank all those player that have supported us during this time.

We will leave the conversation up for a few days so all of you can download and listen as and how you please. I will also hang around for any questions.

Regards

Robert Myers
Public Relations
Hampton Casino

[cipher]

Dear readers,

This message is from Hampton Casino and is addressed in general to the gaming community.

This pertains to the volumes of messages posted regarding our operation by "Pirateofc21" and the responses to them.

We post this to clear the air once and for all. Here's the facts and subsequently proof to back them up :

1> "Pirateofc21" signed up with our casino with the intention to defraud us using his "Robot software" the use of which is strictly forbidden at Hampton Casino as explained at our Terms and Conditions page http://www.hamptoncasino.com/legal.asp
2> He misled us during the period of his play at our casino and got higher limits from the casino manager as that favored his robot's playing strategy
3> He ran his balance up to 1.3 Million Dollars and requested a withdrawal
4> We were at that time completely unaware of the illegal robot play in his account and began paying him his payout just like we have done with thousands of players over the past few years
5> We did however launch a detailed investigation into the play done in this account
6> Our software/technical experts detected robot play and determined that no human could have possibly been playing in that account
7> By that time we had already paid him $ 22500 in installments of $ 4000 a week as per our terms and conditions. We of course stopped these payments immediately.
8> We realized that it would be very hard to present the evidence at hand to the gaming community and prove his guilt and our innocence since the evidence was extremely technical hence we decided to engage in phone conversations with "Pirateofc21" for the purpose of making him admit his guilt and making this a lot easier on all of us
9> Ron Lewin (our casino manager) engaged in extensive conversations with him in which the player admitted to having this robot and even offered to sell it for $ 300,000.

The relevant part of those conversations can be listened to by clicking the link below. You will need Winamp or some other MP3 player to listen. If you do not have an MP3 player installed on your computer then you may download Winamp from http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/...mp502_lite.exe (0.6 MB only)

The conversation itself is 5.59 MB and can be downloaded from :

http://www.hamptoncasino.com/conversation.mp3

This part of the conversation is unedited and is provided to you just like it happened.

I hope this will lay to rest any and all doubts about our honesty, integrity and intentions. We have always been more than fair to our players and I must say that I find it a bit hurtful that the community was so quick to indict a well established operation such as ours. At the same time, I would like to thank all those player that have supported us during this time.

We will leave the conversation up for a few days so all of you can download and listen as and how you please. I will also hang around for any questions.

Regards

Robert Myers
Public Relations
Hampton Casino

First of Mr. Myers, where's the proof?

I hear your representative clearly soliciting a conspiracy between your representative and Pirateofc21 but I do not hear any admission of guilt.

Additionally you might need to understand thay anyone technically inclined could engineer such a program (after the fact) especially when offered a high six figure sum of money.

You made the decision to increase the wager limits for one reason and only one reason and that's called GREED, Unless Pirateofc21 was clever enough to figure out how to put a gun to your head over the Internet, and if that's the case then Pirateofc21 is much sharper than even you give him credit for.

Over what period of time was this 1.3 million dollars accumulated? Hours, days, weeks?

Lastly you're sadly mistaken if you think RTG software cannot be taken apart without the means of a robot. The only problem is that few people will be caught playing at RTG CASINOS given the fact that RTG Casinos have a deplorable record of NON PAYMENT. You sir and your organization have simply joined those ranks.

Cipher

[docdekay]

Lastly you're sadly mistaken if you think RTG software cannot be taken apart without the means of a robot. The only problem is that few people will be caught playing at RTG CASINOS given the fact that RTG Casinos have a deplorable record of NON PAYMENT. You sir and your organization have simply joined those ranks.

Cipher

I really hope such isnt the case. I have played exclusively at Hampton's Sportsbok until they abruptly took the book down the very day after the superbowl without ANY notice whatsoever. Up on sunday, and down the next day without even an email telling its customers that the sportsbook would no longer be operational. I had to contact Hampton to be told this. Imagine that. No email. No nothing. In all fairness, I have made several neteller w/d which were all processed within the stated 7 day business period during the couple of months I played there.

I made my final request for withdrawal for the remaining portion of my balance, approx 2K, last monday 02/02. I was assured by customer service that my request would be processed tomorrow 02/10. I just checked the balance in Hampton's neteller float and its less than 1K. I fully expect to payed tomorrow, which was the date promised to me by one of their CS reps, Geoff, in live chat.

Thankfully, I have screenshots of my account and documentation of every live chat. Considering the sportsbook software was completely taken down I wouldnt have any other proof.

I've been paid out by Hampton each and every time but the way the way this entire sportsbook thing was handled was unprofessional IMO.

[caruso]

Good grief.

"We realized that it would be very hard to present the evidence at hand to the gaming community and prove his guilt and our innocence since the evidence was extremely technical."...

presumably = "...since the evidence didn't exist."

If they offered me 300K to invent a robot, I'd do it. And I can barely locate the on/off switch on my computer most days.

LOL.

How about you release they play logs to 1) the player 2) the community at large and 3) a recognized authority like M. Shakelford? The proof is there, the player has no case and it'll put an end to the grief.

How about at least a sketch of some aspects of the cheating? Not everyone here is a idiot; some people might even be able to make sense of it.

No, of course you won't.

The reason you aren't paying isn't because you were cheated.

The reason is that you don't have two cents to rub together.

[cipher]

Dear readers,

I will also hang around for any questions.

Regards

Robert Myers
Public Relations
Hampton Casino

Well I guess Mr. Myers has left the building.

Oh well I thought the Sports Book items was very enlightening.

Lastly Mr. Myers if you want to put your 300 large in an escrow account I'll be happy to provide a "robot" program to you source code and all and I'll guarantee you that the PIRATE has never even laid eyes on it.

Cipher