RTG's Caribbean 21 lie

[amandajm]

This whole frigging thing amazes me.

Hey hey hey, not likely as I've personally seen silliness displayed by both sides of the gambling fence for prolly no more than 50 quid, you ~B will have seen a lot more than I over the years.

For 1.3 million Bryan... Nothing will surprise me. Hell what is happening may be original but amaze me - not.

1.3 million is a lot for you to get involved with imo and you have set yourself up to get had a go at whichever way you rule on this. You just know you're gonna get accused by someone of being on the take if you rule for the casino on this one or the usual anti Meister blurb will surface if you rule against RTG/Hamptons.

You take your time and cover yourself please, this is a lot of money. A LOT of money and size matters..

I also want more than you posting evidence if and when it arrives and feel the casino owe you the due diligence of thier presence here at some stage, even if at the end. This should not be all on you to deal with.

Cheers.

[xianna]

You just know you're gonna get accused by someone of being on the take if you rule for the casino on this one or the usual anti Meister blurb will surface if you rule against RTG/Hamptons.

Very true, Amanda.

If I were Bryan, I wouldn't want to be involved in this one at all.

Pirate can afford and has seen a lawyer. For this much money, I think that's probably a better option for everyone.

[Pirateofc21]

Very true, Amanda.

If I were Bryan, I wouldn't want to be involved in this one at all.

Pirate can afford and has seen a lawyer. For this much money, I think that's probably a better option for everyone.

I don't agree. I do have a lawyer but I don't not think that is the best option. Here's why. Just as Bryan has pointed out endlessly sending bullets downrange creates smoke that will obscure the target and in that case pulling out a bigger gun would cause more smoke and further obscure the target. That would not be in my best interest. I am not out to make enemies, only to get paid.

[love2vegas]

Like others, I have no way to know the whole conversations or what has or has not been said. There are a couple of things which bother me, though. First and foremost, IF the casino has less than ironclad proof that something was amiss here, the implications are tremendous for all players of online casinos. Secondly, there does seem to be some things which don't add up from the info that pirate has provided:
A.) He seemed concerned that he had to pay for a copy of the logs. Now, I don't know how much they were asking, but any reasonable price would be worth investing, when as much money as this is involved.
B.) The phone conversation is obviously not all there. It starts and stops in some unusual places and just doesn't flow right.
Third, Pirate keeps asking why other accounts have been locked. If illegal play was used on one account, why wouldn't the casino suspect this to be the case in other accounts?
Fourth, the person that Pirate talked to did sound like a lawyer. The tactics of pressure, friendliness, an offer to settle & then to suggest some bad consequences sounds too much like a lawyer doing the doubletalk. Which brings me to the final point:
Fifth, If the casino has such solid proof- why even bother to offer a settlement for tens of thousands of dollars? Mysteries are fun!

[xianna]

Fifth, If the casino has such solid proof- why even bother to offer a settlement for tens of thousands of dollars? Mysteries are fun!

Yeah, they are!

I thought the settlement was being offered only if Pirate would agree to be more specific on just how he cheated, but I could be totally off.

I think RTG really believes he cheated. But I don't see where the proof is. They want the proof, and that's what they were willing to buy.

[Pirateofc21]

Like others, I have no way to know the whole conversations or what has or has not been said. There are a couple of things which bother me, though. First and foremost, IF the casino has less than ironclad proof that something was amiss here, the implications are tremendous for all players of online casinos. Secondly, there does seem to be some things which don't add up from the info that pirate has provided:
A.) He seemed concerned that he had to pay for a copy of the logs. Now, I don't know how much they were asking, but any reasonable price would be worth investing, when as much money as this is involved.
B.) The phone conversation is obviously not all there. It starts and stops in some unusual places and just doesn't flow right.
Third, Pirate keeps asking why other accounts have been locked. If illegal play was used on one account, why wouldn't the casino suspect this to be the case in other accounts?
Fourth, the person that Pirate talked to did sound like a lawyer. The tactics of pressure, friendliness, an offer to settle & then to suggest some bad consequences sounds too much like a lawyer doing the doubletalk. Which brings me to the final point:
Fifth, If the casino has such solid proof- why even bother to offer a settlement for tens of thousands of dollars? Mysteries are fun!

A. Why should I pay for what other casinos give away for free?

B. My machine has pre set recording limits so it's cutting in and out is a result of the machine doing it's job, not my selectively turning it on and off.

C. I don't know about you but I live in a Democracy. Where I come from we don't assume guilt first. Suspicion breeds fear and fear can distort ones perception of a situation.

D. ?

E. You can figure this one out.

[Pirateofc21]

Yeah, they are!

I thought the settlement was being offered only if Pirate would agree to be more specific on just how he cheated, but I could be totally off.

I think RTG really believes he cheated. But I don't see where the proof is. They want the proof, and that's what they were willing to buy.

A. Everybody does.

B. I didn't !

C. I welcome the opportunity to discuss my style or technique with them. Also it should be noted that there were several factors working in tandem here not the least of which was a $10,000 table max. Without that, ( Thank You Hampton ) none of this would have been possible.

[cipher]

A. Why should I pay for what other casinos give away for free?

B. My machine has pre set recording limits so it's cutting in and out is a result of the machine doing it's job, not my selectively turning it on and off.

C. I don't know about you but I live in a Democracy. Where I come from we don't assume guilt first. Suspicion breeds fear and fear can distort ones perception of a situation.

D. ?

E. You can figure this one out.

Pirate21, I went back and thoroughly re-read every post in this thread and I'm convinced that you are the only person that's not aware of the fact that you've already been hosed.

Fact #1, you hav'nt got a clue as to what you are doing or even who you are dealing with.

Fact #2,Realtime Gaming is synonymous with many things ie: cheaters, liars and even thieves but I can guarantee you my friend that they (RTG) are not stupid and they will eat you alive.

Fact #3, if you have even half a brain you'd better have sense enough to hire an attorney that's going to put a muzzle on you and take care of business.

Have a good one.

Cipher

[Pirateofc21]

Pirate21, I went back and thoroughly re-read every post in this thread and I'm convinced that you are the only person that's not aware of the fact that you've already been hosed.

Fact #1, you hav'nt got a clue as to what you are doing or even who you are dealing with.

Fact #2,Realtime Gaming is synonymous with many things ie: cheaters, liars and even thieves but I can guarantee you my friend that they (RTG) are not stupid and they will eat you alive.

Fact #3, if you have even half a brain you'd better have sense enough to hire an attorney that's going to put a muzzle on you and take care of business.

Have a good one.

Cipher

If you thoroughly read all posts you would know I already have an Attorney and he tells me to shut up all the time. I thank you for your concern but I am well aware of my current status and you should remember that right now they see me as a thief even though I am not one.

[xianna]

LOL

You should go to work for RTG, Pirate. They think you're capable, and I bet you could negotiate quite a nice salary. By they time they figure out that you don't know quite as much as they think you do, you could make many times more than what they owe you!