Mathematical Proof that English Harbour is cheating

[LRDell]

I have noticed this house edge when doubling at virtually every casino I play. Also, has anyone else noticed that the 8 card is almost unbeatable? Middle of the pack card, should have approx 50%/50% chance of beating it. HA! I have seen more 8s come up with four losing cards to choose from (at the ones where you get to see what your choices were). Innumerable times seeing 3 out of four lower.

A long time ago I posted some results showing not just the card dealt but an analysis of the choice cards given - showed a distinct house edge. Percentages got even worse on a second or third double. Do any of them actually claim that their doubling procedures are completely random?

[henryVIII]

So, what is the position on this?

They were caught with cheating sodtware. Is this wrong?

They were shown to have lied in their original statement to hide the facts. Is this wrong?

So, why after months of "not saying anything defamatory until they have had a chance to defend themselves" has their been no official condemnation.

Does the silence mean the Casinomeister website says it is OK for this to have happened or to happen again with absolutely no consequences other than a statement of "we messed up, we wont prove it" (after a first statement which was fraudulent).

I am confused as to what this site has decided. ior is it too much trouble to explain?

[kengam]

Bryan has been in the states for a while and I suppose he will be getting on this shortly. I am pretty sure he is aware of the seriousness of this matter.

[Casinomeister]

...Does the silence mean the Casinomeister website says it is OK for this to have happened or to happen again with absolutely no consequences other than a statement of "we messed up, we wont prove it" (after a first statement which was fraudulent).

I am confused as to what this site has decided. ior is it too much trouble to explain?

Actually I've decided to advocate incompetance and screw ups. I hope you don't mind.

[elscrabinda]

A long time ago I posted some results showing not just the card dealt but an analysis of the choice cards given - showed a distinct house edge. Percentages got even worse on a second or third double. Do any of them actually claim that their doubling procedures are completely random?

Would be very interesting to see these results if you still have them. Was that EH or a different casino and software platform?

[henryVIII]

Actually I've decided to advocate incompetance and screw ups. I hope you don't mind.

Its your website and you are, of course, totally at liberty to respond or not respond to players concerns about something.

I kind of get the feeling that asking too many questions about this issue is not welcomed.

Almost to the point, that to write anything negative about EH would mean walking a fine line and being banned.

I may be wrong, i dont know.

But...

As I understand it (and correct me if I am wrong) the casino was caught with software that was, well, cheating players. So, to allow the casino the benefit of any possibility of being treated unfairly, we need to look for intent.

I accept your point that many players would struggle to go that far. But, then again, it is an extremely serious thing to be caught doing.

They then issued a fraudulent statement (and that is a genuine opinion, it was fraudulent, I wont go off on a tangent and detail exactly why but can do if you wish) which is a very serious thing to say and I dont use the term lightly.

Those two things coming together are indeed extremely worrying for any player out there.

As i say, if you feel that is out of order then allow me to explain my reasoning/proof.

Their silence has also been very worrying. As any policeman/lawyer will tell you its invariably only those with something to hide who refuse to answer questions.

Im not meaning to disrespect you or the forum and hope you take these straight comments as they are intended.

[suzecat]

Actually I've decided to advocate incompetance and screw ups. I hope you don't mind.

I highly doubt the CM we all know and admire would advocate any such thing. In the course of really major screw-ups of all time, this one has surely earned its place in that history.

And life goes on..........

I am thinking that human error is a hurdle best met with compassion (for who knows when they will need that compassion shown after their own major screw-up?) I am not advocating a "forgive and forget" mentality in any way. Forgive yes....but be smart, remember history and get out there and have some freakin' fun!

[Linus]

Henry,

Many players - perhaps most of us - suspect we've been cheated at one time or another. It's sort of the ugly troll, lurking in the back of your mind. ("What, dealer blackjack, again?!? That can't be right!")

So when something like this happens, it's really a big deal, because it confirms some pretty ugly fears.

I'd submit the question players really want answered isn't, "I wonder how this happened," or "Could this be an honest mistake," but, "How can I be sure this won't happen again."

So when Spearmaster says, "This was just a case of simple incompetence," well... it may be true, but it doesn't really answer the question.

If anything, it introduces an even uglier one. "If this much possible by accident & incompetence, how much more could a competent casino that was trying to get away with it accomplish?"

It's an ugly thought, and I don't think you'll find an answer here.

[nafanny29]

Have they introduced the new "weighted double up" feature yet? Must have been almost ready to go live when they put the code into the VP double up feature slightly to early.

[GrandMaster]

If anything, it introduces an even uglier one. "If this much possible by accident & incompetence, how much more could a competent casino that was trying to get away with it accomplish?"

It's an ugly thought, and I don't think you'll find an answer here.

I have seen so many examples of incompetence that I am not really concerned about evil and competent casinos.