Mathematical Proof that English Harbour is cheating

[tennis_balls]

casinocity has these casinos listed as using software by Vegas Technology

http://online.casinocity.com/softwar...re.cfm?Id=6076

[spearmaster]

It's Vegas Technology - which is supposedly a new provider taking over from Odds On. Don't know if it's the same programmers behind it, but the platform is entirely new and you will not find any of the old Odds On games.

[sk2005]

That is not well said at all.

In many events, statistical proof can be obtained with a relatively small sample size.

For example say I run a coin-flip game. I rig it so that it's not 50/50, but instead its 49.9999/50.0001 in my favor. In this case someone will need a very large sample size to prove that the game is rigged.

Now say I rig it so that it is 20/80 in my favor. Now someone will need a very small sample to prove it's rigged. Something in the order of 50 tries should be more than enough.

In the case of the EH doubling game the statistical proof is overwhelming, especially when you factor in the results of other forum members who tested.

It is flat out impossible that this game represent an honest representation of a doubling game, and any mathematician will agree.

Actually, i was laughing at the idea that the only way to prove software cheating is to play 100.000 hands betting big (because ,theoretically, software should be rigged for the big bets in the first place) and lose a huge amount of money.

[sk2005]

Did anyone test Playtech's vp doubling feature? I am more than sure it is rigged for several months already.

[liquidsoap]

Ok Last time I am admitting I am wrong
Same results, as last 200 basically....
But I also noticed I did not win a double when I got a qualifying hand of 3 or a kind or better....
Serouisly Disregard my last posts didnt realize it was this bad
Sorry for my early posts
The most doubles in a row I won were 3
The most doubles in a row I lost were 13

Get the wizard of odds to get these guys
Sure it will take alot of trials, but he will find a way and it will go as expected.

Good job TLN

[oblomov]

It's Vegas Technology - which is supposedly a new provider taking over from Odds On. Don't know if it's the same programmers behind it, but the platform is entirely new and you will not find any of the old Odds On games.

According to Online Casino City ..."The company (oddson) produces the Vegas Technology brand of software."http://online.casinocity.com/softwar...re.cfm?id=3666

Excellent thread Lawnet, thanks for your work.

Nice touch Dresden!

[Zoozie]

Did anyone test Playtech's vp doubling feature? I am more than sure it is rigged for several months already.

I tested playtech doubling (think it was at Prestige casino back when they were reliable..). I did over 500 doubles and the wins/looses was very close to 1 as expected. Actually I had more wins than looses.This is not a proff though, but I was satisfied. It was not as obvious skewed as the results posted so far in this thread.

It was very easy to test on Playtech because of the 'half double' feature. I
was playing real money and just half-doubled until I lost. I won 10 times in a row during that session actually (shame it was only 'half' doubles...).

BUT if it can be configured as seems the case with English Harbour, this means that you can not ask if the double feature is fair generally since it could change over time. Also bet size could matter. (higher bet= higher loose chance). Anyone with insight into the software can confirm there is no
standard configuration setting to chance this? If it can be configured, the
software is rouged, even though if casinos can claim they have it configured correct (fair).

Zoozie

[Simmo!]

Okay here's my "sample" of 200 doubles from English Harbour "Flash" version (Deuces & Joker VP) to add to the pot:

Sample: 200

Tied Hands: 20

Won Hands: 65

Lost Hands: 115



Simmo!

[gfkostas]

Okay here's my "sample" of 200 doubles from English Harbour "Flash" version (Deuces & Joker VP) to add to the pot:

Sample: 200

Tied Hands: 20

Won Hands: 65

Lost Hands: 115



Simmo!

Everyone keeps losing, this is going to get nasty

[tencardcharlie]

Won Hands: 65

Lost Hands: 115

A quick calculation tells me that there is slightly less than 0.01% chance to get such a bad result or worse.

Rogue 'em.