Mathematical Proof that English Harbour is cheating

**ftg** · 26th May 2006, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by spearmaster

The polls were suspended because they both were based on speculation alone and could have been unfair to EH.

Please explain how this poll was based on speculation alone and could have been unfair to EH.

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...s-casinos.html

Will you continue to play at the EH/Odds On casinos?

1. NO! Never at neither at EH nor Odds On.

2. Never at EH but other Odds On OK.

3. Depends on further Wiz/Spearmaster/EH/Odds findings/announcements

4. YES! Both EH and Odds On casinos

Would you have suspended the poll if 100% voters had chosen #3?

**spearmaster** · 26th May 2006, 01:00 PM

The poll was not appropriate because it would have required members to formulate an opinion based on an ongoing situation which had not been resolved.

Furthermore, this was the second poll put up regarding this issue - after the first I had already requested that no more polls regading this issue be put up in the meantime. The poll would have been suspended under any and all circumstances irrespective of any votes that had been recorded up to that point and regardless of which option had been chosen.

**ftg** · 26th May 2006, 01:03 PM

Regarding examining the previous 3-year logs, I have some words to add.

If on the other hand, the game had been discovered to be in favour of the players instead of the house, would EH/Odds On look at the previous logs? I believe most likely they would.

In fact, perhaps they have looked at the logs already.

**ftg** · 26th May 2006, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by spearmaster

The poll was not appropriate because it would have required members to formulate an opinion based on an ongoing situation which had not been resolved.

Furthermore, this was the second poll put up regarding this issue - after the first I had already requested that no more polls regading this issue be put up in the meantime. The poll would have been suspended under any and all circumstances irrespective of any votes that had been recorded up to that point and regardless of which option had been chosen.

Just can't agree. A poll is a poll.

Originally Posted by spearmaster

The polls were suspended because they both were based on speculation alone and could have been unfair to EH.

You said it's based on speculation alone in your earlier post, and when I asked you reason for that, you said it's becasue it "required members to formulate an opinion based on an ongoing situation".

What's wrong with a poll based on ongoing situation?

But anyway, you are the modulator.

**spearmaster** · 26th May 2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by ftg

Regarding examining the previous 3-year logs, I have some words to add.

If on the other hand, the game had been discovered to be in favour of the players instead of the house, would EH/Odds On look at the previous logs? I believe most likely they would.

In fact, perhaps they have looked at the logs already.

The answer to that would most likely be no because they would obviously know when they added code and when a problem would have been likely to occur. But that is neither here nor there.

In addition to that, as part of an ongoing audit process, I suspect they would be looking at the logs on a regular basis to begin with. So they would have had no reason to go over three years' worth of logs again.

**ftg** · 26th May 2006, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by spearmaster

The answer to that would most likely be no because they would obviously know when they added code and when a problem would have been likely to occur. But that is neither here nor there.

In addition to that, as part of an ongoing audit process, I suspect they would be looking at the logs on a regular basis to begin with. So they would have had no reason to go over three years' worth of logs again.

Honestly, if I were the shareholder of EH/Odds On, I would have asked the mangers to audit all the double up games in VP, if not all the games for at least 2 years. And I would have instructed them to release the logs, if and only if the logs shows normal results.

**soflat** · 26th May 2006, 03:51 PM

How frustrating!

So many people believe in the importance of looking back further in the logs, except this one individual.

And I think the only person who hasn't expressed an opinion about a 2-3 year log audit is Casinomeister himself (probably the only person who could convince Spearmaster).

The code is such a distraction.

And what ever happened to the Wizard of Odds? His original statement indicated he would be looking further back in the logs. But not a peep in weeks. Does he really look at the doubling game logs every month as part of his audits, or is it just the RNG or just overall percentages?

**ftg** · 26th May 2006, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by soflat

How frustrating!
So many people believe in the importance of looking back further in the logs, except this one individual.

Very frustrating indeed.

"The codes is the king"!

The casino would only give out codes that produce the results for the half month but Spearmaster is writing simulation to prove that the codes actually produced the abnormal results.

**kengam** · 26th May 2006, 04:04 PM

Is it possible that the code you are reviewing was written to be a cheat switch? They could add it to an update and run it as long as they want and then fix itself with another update. This is essentially what they did. It could have been written to look like a subroutine, but maybe they knew what it would cause to the normal double up game.

deciphering this code doesn't seem to be the issue to me. Discovering how the code got there and whether it was ever placed there before seems to be the ultimate question.

I think it is entirely possible that the code you are viewing is nothing more than an elaborate cheat switch. Think about it, if you were going to put cheating code into a game wouldn't you disguise it in the form of a standard upgrade or game change. Then if they were ever caught they would have an excuse which might be the case here.

**120sam** · 26th May 2006, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by spearmaster
The poll was not appropriate because it would have required members to formulate an opinion based on an ongoing situation which had not been resolved.

I'm sure all forum members are looking forward to the happy day when all will be resolved and we are finally allowed to formulate an opinion. For me resolution will include EH breaking their silence and answering all issues raised in this thread. Can you give me some kind of timeframe for this Spearmaster? An approximation will do. I only ask so that I can give my brain some advance warning of when it will be allowed to start thinking.