Mathematical Proof that English Harbour is cheating

[kengam]

Everyone asking me to come forward with my information must know one thing. I do this as a business. It is important to be anonymous. There are numerous evils in this industry who know I exist and are aware that there are teams of individuals who take advertised promotions and hammer every advantage we can out of them. They would like nothing more than to expose us and blacklist us from play. We do not break any rules, but we do take a huge chunk out of their bottom line.

Even if I was to press further and submit my logs they would be sure to discredit me. Even if they were to admit there was a problem with the double up game in years past and issued me a refund it would not be worth the exposure for me or anyone involved in what I do. Collectively we have received hate mail, death threats, intimidating phone calls, etc. Do not underestimate the level many of these casino owners will resort to. I already regret the public information and timeline of my business with English Harbour.

[soflat]

I'm starting to really believe the claim that the game had anomalies before the period in question. I have no reason not to believe the poster who is making that claim.

[Slotster!]

Wow.. A few hours later, and I finish reading this fantastic, incredible thread.

Two short things whilst I gather my thoughts..

1) Spearmaster - you deserve a medal! For your persistence, your integrity under fire and for taking this task on in the first place. Absolute kudos fella - awesome!

2) No two ways about it... Regardless of intentional/accident or whatever... You just don't ever play at this casino ever again, do you? I wouldn't...

Will type more when I've got time - superb contributions from lots of posters, and another example of what makes the Casinomeister board so fantastic!

[spearmaster]

Everyone asking me to come forward with my information must know one thing. I do this as a business. It is important to be anonymous. There are numerous evils in this industry who know I exist and are aware that there are teams of individuals who take advertised promotions and hammer every advantage we can out of them. They would like nothing more than to expose us and blacklist us from play. We do not break any rules, but we do take a huge chunk out of their bottom line.

Even if I was to press further and submit my logs they would be sure to discredit me. Even if they were to admit there was a problem with the double up game in years past and issued me a refund it would not be worth the exposure for me or anyone involved in what I do. Collectively we have received hate mail, death threats, intimidating phone calls, etc. Do not underestimate the level many of these casino owners will resort to. I already regret the public information and timeline of my business with English Harbour.

Is it me or is someone being a bit paranoid... this just gets better and better. I won't argue some of that hate mail, death threats, yada yada yada if you play with Honest Joe's Casino in Timbuktu - there is definite slime out there in the industry - but I would not think this would be the norm for most online casinos out there.

Just another good reason to stick to Casinomeister-accredited casinos, I suppose...

[derelict]

The code is too sloppy and missing references to have been written beforehand in anticipation of an audit. In fact, the code looks exactly like what I write when I test things LOL.

The code, if it had been abandoned and then intentionally made to interface with regular code, would not have been interfaced in this manner, again because it is sloppy, missing references and looks like test code.

Either of your scenarios would surely have been done in a much more sophisticated way had they intended to plant a bug.

Again, admittedly you have the code and I don't, but I disagree with your reasoning. The cornerstone of their defense is that they were incompetent, not dishonest. In such a defense, why would sloppy code be a liability? If anything it would reinforce the idea that this was an accident.

[schmeel]

EH needs to make a public statement, end of story.
If they get slammed with durogatory comments, then they should take their lumps and move on, you guys are taking it for them, and you shouldn't be.
Been in business for 5 years, not online, but I could not even imagine not defending myself/business with some type of statement about these serious accusations.
And if I was audited, I certainly would not expect the auditor to defend my position.

[spearmaster]

Again, admittedly you have the code and I don't, but I disagree with your reasoning. The cornerstone of their defense is that they were incompetent, not dishonest. In such a defense, why would sloppy code be a liability? If anything it would reinforce the idea that this was an accident.

To be honest - it would be MUCH harder to plan sloppy code than to actually do it It just comes naturally as far as I am concerned

Besides, our brains are trained to think logically, not illogically. Ever try to figure out how to mess up scrambling an egg before you actually do it? Much easier said than done...

[kengam]

Is it me or is someone being a bit paranoid... this just gets better and better. I won't argue some of that hate mail, death threats, yada yada yada if you play with Honest Joe's Casino in Timbuktu - there is definite slime out there in the industry - but I would not think this would be the norm for most online casinos out there.

Just another good reason to stick to Casinomeister-accredited casinos, I suppose...

Yes I am paranoid. Up until about 2002 I had no reason to be paranoid and would laugh at those who were. I remember laughing to myself when Steve Adkins told his claim of extortion and death threats. He did much of what I do today (aside from stealing from the Ohio Food Bank and getting prison time). I have had spine tingling threats from big so called "honest" casino owners as well as garage run low budget wannabe outfits. My track record of getting paid is close to perfect, but I can say that I have pissed many people off on my way out. A nature of this business. Casinos are here to make money and when they find out you have been turning the tables on them they may not take it lightly and some will get downright nasty.

[derelict]

To be honest - it would be MUCH harder to plan sloppy code than to actually do it It just comes naturally as far as I am concerned

I agree completely. I didn't mean to imply that it was sloppy in a calculated way, but was expressing my opinion that the sloppiness of the code is irrelevant in terms of their perceived innocence.

I also agree with the above poster. You really shouldn't be in the position where you have to be their advocate. If I were you I would have given up long ago. Props I guess.

[spearmaster]

I agree completely. I didn't mean to imply that it was sloppy in a calculated way, but was expressing my opinion that the sloppiness of the code is irrelevant in terms of their perceived innocence.

I think it is relevant. The whole point is that it is very difficult to "plan" sloppy code - and the sloppy code is indicative of something that was not intentionally planned.

I also agree with the above poster. You really shouldn't be in the position where you have to be their advocate. If I were you I would have given up long ago. Props I guess.

I don't see myself as their advocate. Though much of what I have said up to now would have to be considered in their favor, that does not mean I can assume that they are innocent. Until every last bit fits into this puzzle, the only safe assumption you can make is that I have neither exonerated nor implicated them.