Mathematical Proof that English Harbour is cheating

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

Well, I shall vouch for Gamemaster - he is a reputable, well-known webmaster and has never given anyone cause to believe that he is not full of integrity.

Doesn't mean I agree with him all the time - but we're entitled to disagree and he is still someone who should be respected.

As for me - if someone doesn't know me, they don't know me ... can't expect everyone to know who everyone else is...

Fair enough. My apologies to Gamemaster. As I said, my intention wasn't to insult him, I just don't know him.

[spearmaster]

Read Spear's last post, he was also a player and lost more than another poster in the thread, two and a half times as much. Emotional is one thing, but I didn't see Spearmaster insulting anyone, or impugning their reputation. I saw him trying to be as neutral as possible. Forgive him for not dragging EH management out into the street and stoning them, before having all the facts at his disposal.

... ahem... I said "played through"... and I was teasing Sorry about that! I was just trying to make the point that anyone can claim anything you like but without supporting data it's simply not possible to investigate further

"You are angry because you feel insulted that informed players aren't kissing your pompous arse like others in this thread" just gave Kengam a seven day holiday.

Ah, let him back... he's pissed and I wasn't exactly an angel myself

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

... ahem... I said "played through"... and I was teasing Sorry about that! I was just trying to make the point that you - anyone - can claim anything you like but without supporting data it's simply not possible to investigate further

Well, colour me stupid....lol.

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

... Ah, let him back... he's pissed and I wasn't exactly an angel myself

Okay, but people need to mellow out a bit. Be cool.

I don't want to see any further personal digs. Thank you.

[ftg]

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

Proof? How about the casino remaining silent? Hasn't that been as damning as anything? Spear tried to provide some info as he went along and all he got in return was insulted. Yeah, I'm with MacGyver on this one....insulted.

He's sometimes giving information without consulting EH - that's what I cant' agree to. That's it, very simple.

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

Please don't IF? That's pretty funny considering that is all that alot of posters in this thread have done...supposition and assumption. I haven't seen any proof of cheating (as yet), I have seen admission of error, nothing more (again, as yet). Not to say they didn't cheat, but I don't know.

BTW, in that case, if Casino Bar had came out and said "this is a bug", it became "there's no proof".

In fact, I don't know EH cheated or not.

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

Read Spear's last post, he was also a player and lost more than another poster in the thread, two and a half times as much. Emotional is one thing, but I didn't see Spearmaster insulting anyone, or impugning their reputation. I saw him trying to be as neutral as possible. Forgive him for not dragging EH management out into the street and stoning them, before having all the facts at his disposal.

Read my post and please pin-point how I insulted spearmaster.

Disagreement and insultation are two differnet things.

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

Whatever that's supposed to mean. You perceive his words one way, I perceive them differently. I see neutrality, you see bias. No agreement on this one..

So can I say you insult me by disagreeing with me?

Definitely NO!

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

Because it served no purpose than to open another thread dealing with the very same subject, and no doubt leading to even more inflammatory postings. As I said before, I'm pretty sure you were told you could have a poll when the final findings were in. Why the urgency for this poll? Why the need for another thread?.

You didn't answer my question!

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

So what? Isn't the whole basis for this part of the debate that Spear doesn't "seem" to be acting as an independent agent? That he is in fact biased? I've seen much more bias from the players/posters here than anyone else.

"Whatever that's supposed to mean. You perceive it unbaised, I perceive it differently. I see neutrality, you see bias. No agreement on this one"

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

?? Okay.

That's good you said "Okay".

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

Fair enough. I just personally don't know him is what I was trying to say. And I just assumed that anyone who comes to this particular forum would know Spearmaster and his reputation for fairness.

I hope you understand my analogy: disagreement doesn't casue insultation.

[Casinomeister]

Okay, could you two please start PMing this stuff to one another? That would be really great. I'm trying to keep this thread a bit more focused. Thank you.

[HKGambler]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

... ahem... I said "played through"... and I was teasing Sorry about that! I was just trying to make the point that anyone can claim anything you like but without supporting data it's simply not possible to investigate further

I knew Spear was making an empty claim at the instant I read that. LOL.

This goes to show people can get emotional in either support or defence.

Glad to see Spear back onto the chill-out mode.

Hey, Macgyver, you might not have grasped what "personal attacks" really meant. This statement alone does not constitute an attack, I hope.

[kengam]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

You know that I don't expect anyone to kiss my big fat ass - people can do so if they wish but I certainly don't expect it

I would have expected you - and your team - to be organized enough to keep track of your performance. In fact, I am stunned that you didn't, since you always seemed to keep records in the past.

But that's beside the point. You know that I or Meister will always be happy to investigate any problems if there is any substance behind them - whether it be a bonus claim, or bonus fraud, or interpretation of T&Cs, or casino bug - provided that you give us legitimate data to work with.

I'm sorry you don't agree with that - but it is simply not reasonable to go investigate every claim that a casino is rigged, nor to use a case like this to justify your past results.

You can try and get your logs from EH for the past however many years if you like - then if you believe they are still messed up, send them to me and I will investigate. Otherwise, forget it - I still have to report on the issue at hand and take care of a million other unrelated things.

I have kept meticulous records. I have a record of almost every wager I have made online since 1997. I am not asking for help with this issue. I do not want individual attention. There are many casino people out there that would love to end my business practices and frankly that is not a risk I am willing to take. This was a team effort and we have shared the hit on our bankrolls. We were not happy with the result, but it was just one set of deals out of thousands. At the time we were chasing many promotions and the wins have far outweighed the losses. I appreciate your offer of mediation, but I have always handled everything myself.

My only reason to come forward thus far was to state my claim that the double up game at Odds-on joints was dealt unfairly even before April. I thought my statement would be relevant to this thread and at the very least cause the casino to look at their data over the previous 3 years. The damning evidence that was brought to light here should prompt an honest casino into a full investigation. It appears they have chosen the path of the least resistance and unfortunately for you, they have used you as a pawn superbly.

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by kengam

... It appears they have chosen the path of the least resistance and unfortunately for you, they have used you as a pawn superbly.

WTF Kengam? That's your final warning.

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by kengam

I appreciate your offer of mediation, but I have always handled everything myself.

Can't say I didn't offer - as I always have - but if you cannot share your results with us you surely can't expect us to do anything about it nor even have any belief in your claim.

It appears they have chosen the path of the least resistance and unfortunately for you, they have used you as a pawn superbly.

Now now... you know better than that. You already got the shortest ban on record for calling me a pompous arse... now you're insinuating that I have been used as a pawn... and again you should know damn well that I don't get used, and I don't put up with bullshit, and that I have always called it as I see it. What makes you think I'm a pawn when I'm actually the chess board the pawn sits on?