Mathematical Proof that English Harbour is cheating

**soflat** · 5th May 2006, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by caruso

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Which scenario squares with the facts as we know them?

There are all sorts of scenarios possible.

Maybe there was a disgruntled employee who did it.

Maybe they found another bug in March and that is why they updated the software April 13th.

Maybe in debugging or testing the first bug, they introduced a new bigger bug.

What are the chances this was the first bug they ever had? This one was pretty obvious and they didn't notice it until it came up here.

**suzecat** · 5th May 2006, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by soflat

What are the chances this was the first bug they ever had? This one was pretty obvious and they didn't notice it until it came up here.

And though we will never know, what are the chances it would have ever been admitted had thelawnet not made the initial post?

Sorry Spear ....... I am anxious to read your final analysis ........ will I play at OddsOn or OddsOff?

**spearmaster** · 5th May 2006, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by suzecat

And though we will never know, what are the chances it would have ever been admitted had thelawnet not made the initial post?

I think the question is, what are the chances the problem would have been discovered had thelawnet not spotted it so early on...

Sorry Spear ....... I am anxious to read your final analysis ........ will I play at OddsOn or OddsOff?

LOL... good one...

I think the final analysis will be made by everyone here once OddsOn comes forth with an explanation of what happened. I would dare to venture that my analysis will turn out to be the same as everyone else unless, and only if, the one scenario I have possibly envisioned ultimately turns out to be what happened (and this is no more likely or unlikely than any other scenario).

**rj314** · 5th May 2006, 11:34 PM

For those who are nervous about this incident, it should be pointed out that these OddsOn casinos are owned by VIP Sports, who also owns VIP Casinos and Acropolis Casino.

**nektar4d** · 5th May 2006, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by tim5ny

Superior control?

Yes, as written previously:

Originally Posted by Zoozie

This is from the Oddson-site:
The Management (Back Office) Software is unmatched in its superior power, functionality, and flexibility. It incorporates HTML-based, high-encryption web page technology �the most secure and advanced available�and does not require any specialized proprietary products. Information on player registration, games played, wagering g and account balances is captured and compiled in a multitude of reports:

The only interesting here is the "superior power, functionality, and flexibility". Maybe too superior

Zoozie

**Aindreas_Daoc** · 5th May 2006, 11:55 PM

Wow, this thread sure exploded.

A couple of things:

1) Thanks to WoO for his quick help.

2) EH chose to do some things right. I am satisfied that people affected by this particular problem will be refunded fairly. I retract my earlier statement that I doubt they will do this. However, it is still unclear whether this was done due to their own integrity or because they simply had no choice after WoO examined the logs. After all, the initially came out and strongly denied anything was wrong. Also, the timing of the "autoupdate", merely days after this thread started in the forum seems a bit too convenient

3) Further explanation is needed in some instances: As some forum members pointed out software doesn't corrupt itself nor fixes itself, so how was this "bug" introduced, and what assurances do players have that the rest of the software is sound? Let's not forget, the reason this "bug" was discovered was because it was so blatantly obvious. If the "bug" had been a smaller one no one would notice.

4) How did the update only affect EH group casinos and apparently not other non-EH OddsOn casinos?

**bb1webs** · 6th May 2006, 01:02 AM

How did the update only affect EH group casinos and apparently not other non-EH OddsOn casinos?

good question.

**freakin** · 6th May 2006, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by bb1webs

my thoughts exactly. And its likely to be the one string nobody can explain away. Since its obvious that this was not something across the board sends red flags up all over the place for me.

I have not been able to come up with a plausible reason for it only happening at the one network ... unless you add into the equation someone at the network having the ability to alter the end game results ...

well okay I suppose it could be that the software company could have things set up so they could alter the results at one network of casinos but not at another but I fail to find any sound logic to that end.

Besides which in either case it puts the software in bad light so I suppose that point is rather mute.

... gonna be a tough sell explaining away why this happened at one network and not another.

after further thought I suppose its possible the games are served separately to each network, therefore the update only effecting the one network ... but I would be surprised to find out that is how things are done.

It is quite likely the EH requested some kind of functionality that was not previously in the software (could have been anything from better reporting to faster response time in certain situations) and Odds On delivered them the updates before anyone else. Just like how not all Microgaming Viper casino is running the latest version with all the latest games. Just because a developer releases something does not mean all the customers immediately implement it.

It seems extremely unlikely that any casino operator would rig a game to be THIS obviously biased that a sufficient amount of evidence could be generated in one or two days that would damn them. I have a close friend who was affected by this and complained about it loudly to me, but I still think it *could* have been an actual bug.

**tennis_balls** · 6th May 2006, 01:40 AM

i wonder how long such a software error could have continued were the odds skewed in favor of the player?

**nektar4d** · 6th May 2006, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by Aindreas_Daoc

4) How did the update only affect EH group casinos and apparently not other non-EH OddsOn casinos?

Originally Posted by bb1webs

good question.

Not so difficult to answer.
Ok, lets explain the superior software better:
This is from the Oddson-site:
"The Management (Back Office) Software is unmatched in its superior power, functionality, and flexibility."

Practically it may mean that the management or the IT department of any Oddson casino may alter the payouts of specific games or even better of specific features of games. If this is possible, we can never know which casino alters which feature of which game and for how long every time, (unless we get lucky like in this case, thanks to a player who has mathematics knowledge).
This is just a scenario.

My english are not great, so please someone start a nice poll about this thread. Facts are enough for a personal feeling or opinion and it will be most interesting to see the effects to the fame of EH among the players!