Imperial Poker Stole From Me

[FuzzyWuzzy]

I will include the email I sent to Boss Media as it explains the situation:


To Boss Media,

I opened an account at Imperial Poker which uses Boss Media software and is part of that network. A friend of mine got an email from them, downloaded the software, told me that the games were great and that they had high limit tables though the highest anyone was playing at the time was $10-$20. He bought in for the daily maximum of $500 and started to play $10-$20 there and I did a little later and also sat at the same table to play as it was the highest limit table going. I played for a couple hours maybe and was up about $500 leaving me with an account balance of approximately $1,000. I sat out of the table and was picked up for missing too many hands. I was then later disconnected and when I tried to log back in, I got a message that my account was locked and to contact WebDollar for further information. Since I couldn't log in, my friend who told me about the site, asked on live support why my account was locked. They couldn't tell him and later they also locked his account. I believe he had kept playing some after I was locked out and before he was and lost about $100 total leaving him with an account balance of $400.

I called Webdollar who eventually transferred me to Pokerresponse who does the support for Imperial Poker. I still haven't gotten an email response from them after many emails but they finally told me over the phone after numerous phone calls that my account is being closed for collusion. They said they can't give me any details on this and they won't even send me the hand histories for the hands that I played. I have played poker online for almost 5 years now and have never been accused of collusion on any site. I have been a professional player for the last 4 years and play enough that I undoubtedly pay 6 figures a year in rake and in all that play I have never colluded or been accused of collusion.

I know Boss Media has a good reputation in the online casino world. It would be a shame if rogue poker room operators tarnished your image in your venture into online poker. Any assistance that you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
X


The other player in question is the famous online poker playing cat. People will remember him as URMeowed at Paradise back in the day and anyone with a cat name that meows in chat at the table in mid to high limit online poker games is probably the same player. I’m posting this as FuzzyWuzzy as that is the name I set up here back when I created my Casinomeister account and that is my Party Poker name. I initially played at Paradise Poker on the account Michigan21 when I first started playing poker in 2000. My next main account was Pokerfun at Truepoker where I would play one game (were only allowed to play one game there back then) and play a second at Paradise. After that, I played for quite a while on FuzzyWuzzy at Party Poker. While I have accounts at all the major sites my main account since then has been BBBB where I can be found playing and winning in some of the biggest games in online poker. Anyone who has played a decent amount with me knows that I am a big winning player and that I do not collude including one of the people on Sklansky’s 10 smartest poker players list.

My account was actually locked long before URMeoweds and his was only later locked after he asked why mine was in live chat. So it looks like they saw 2 people deposit $500 (the daily maximum allowed) onto the site and play at the same table, then found out we knew each other when he asked about my account being locked on live support, and negligently decided we were probably colluding at the table or fraudulently decided it was an excuse to steal our money. I almost forgot that we both had the word donk in our names there which was apparently part of our grand collusion scheme. They will not send me any hand histories for the hands that I played which would prove there was no collusion between me and URMeowed or any other player.

As this is not a lot of money, I am aware that this post is probably negative EV as I have to give out my account names to give it credibility. Also, based on the Pokerhost thread earlier, there will probably be a small contingent that will assume I colluded since the site said so and this has never happened to them. It has never happened to me in 5 years of online poker either. But negative EV or not, I will not allow a site to just steal money from me with no repercussions.

Based on my conversation with someone at Boss Media, it appears they farmed out customer support and possibly all poker operations to Pokerresponse. They do not even have a website and they don’t have a toll free number to contact them for anyone not from the UK. If they are making all poker decisions, then I suspect all skins on this network should be avoided. If the phrase “travis.bosscasinos.com” is part of the application when you download the software, it is part of this network. If you google Pokerresponse, you will get a decent number of these sites.

[chalupa]

Assuming you and the other accused player agree, there is no excuse why they shouldn't provide hand histories with both your and his hands exposed.

A third party could look at those histories, and while that can't prove that you two weren't sharing information about hole cards, it should be able to at least show that you weren't colluding in betting.

Of course if they still feel your colluding, I'm sure they are going to take the money they froze and distribute it to those players you won it from, not just keep it themselves, right? Haha.

Good luck.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Thanks, that's exactly what I'm looking for. The hand histories could easily be sent to an independent 3rd party poker expert who could determine if there was collusion. Players should have access to hand histories of hands they played whether it be in an online poker room or casino. I have no problem posting all my hands played with hole cards shown and I'm sure my friend would do the same.

[buck]

Fuzzywuzzy,

I would contend that the poker room's actions appear to have some merit. As a online player I appreciate the investigation of such acts.

You appeared to have done everything possible to get suspected of collusion,
1. Similiar user names,
2. Creation of accounts in the same timeframe
3. Playing at the same table
4. Having another account holder contact CS for your account problems.

(I assume that IP numbers are not going to show any further linkage between the two accounts. Also I would assume no current bonus offering is part of the cashin. )

Boss Media should be the final arbitrator on this. Boss Media doesn't have a wide following on this forum, though a legit business entity.



Buck

[FuzzyWuzzy]

I agree that the site certainly has the right to investigate our play for all the reasons you mentioned. But they have to investigate the hands played not just decide that it looked suspicious and use that as the reason to close accounts and steal the money. Since I do not collude, there is no way the hands would show any collusion. Your assumptions are correct. The IP addresses would not be linked as we are in different states and there was no bonus of which I'm aware.

[paul1]

Originally Posted by FuzzyWuzzy

But they have to investigate the hands played not just decide that it looked suspicious and use that as the reason to close accounts and steal the money.

Oh? They don't have to do anything. You're not in Kansas anymore.

For your sake, I hope you are telling the truth, and if you are I hope you get your money. But I have fond memories of URMeowed cleaning MY clock four years ago. I'd hate to think I got teamed up on, although I'm sure it has happened to me plenty over the last few years. Of course, if you are not telling the truth, well, I don't need to say anything more.

And one more thing. If I were on that list of the "ten smartest" that Sklansky posted around Christmas, I would be embarrassed to tell a homeless wino about it. Some people are SO full of themselves.

Good luck, I think.

[chalupa]

Originally Posted by paul1

And one more thing. If I were on that list of the "ten smartest" that Sklansky posted around Christmas, I would be embarrassed to tell a homeless wino about it. Some people are SO full of themselves.

I realize homeless winos (like yourself? ) sometimes don't have the best reading comprehension, and it wasn't well-worded, but I think you misinterpreted. Try reading his statement:

Originally Posted by FuzzyWuzzy

Anyone who has played a decent amount with me knows that I am a big winning player and that I do not collude including one of the people on Sklansky’s 10 smartest poker players list.

Like this:

Anyone who has played a decent amount with me, including one of the people on Sklansky’s 10 smartest poker players list, knows that I am a big winning player and that I do not collude.

(PS -- I don't know this FuzzyWuzzy guy. Honest. Really. No collusion here! Heheh.)


By the way... I do completely agree with you about aggressively pursuing colluders, and certainly this situation as presented was right to raise their suspicions.

But they need to be fair about it if they snare innocent people in their net.

And whenever a site (casino or poker room) refuses to supply hand histories, I have to wonder what they are afraid of revealing.

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And again, if the hand histories support accusation of collusion, great. Confiscate their money and kick them off. But then give the ill-gotten gains to the cheated players. I wonder if any sites do that.

If they don't, it's like reporting a mugging to the cops. The cops catch the robber, and you say, "Great! Did you get my cash back?" And they say, yes.

And you say "Great! Can I have it?" and they say, sorry, you just bought donuts for the whole department.

[paul1]

Originally Posted by chalupa

I realize homeless winos (like yourself? ) sometimes don't have the best reading comprehension, and it wasn't well-worded, but I think you misinterpreted. Try reading his statement:

Calling me a homeless wino is not accurate. I have a home.

Anyway, I read the "List" and the corresponding thread on 2+2 about who Sklansky thought were the ten smartest poker players. Oh brother. I struggled with reading it for about 10 minutes, and then I just couldn't stomach any more.

Like I said, I certainly remember URMeowed, the online poker playing cat. Always seemed to have AK when I had AQ. When he raised a pot from early position, well, let's just say he gave ice in the winter time.

If he's innocent, he needs to get paid. If he's not, then I wish him extra hairballs.

[chalupa]

Cardboard box does not equal a home!

Do you happen to have a link to that 2+2 thread? In case I'm ever low on Ipepac.

[paul1]

Originally Posted by chalupa

Cardboard box does not equal a home!

I'm moving up, though. I just got my SECOND shopping cart.

Originally Posted by chalupa

Do you happen to have a link to that 2+2 thread? In case I'm ever low on Ipepac.

Here's the link to Sklansky's "naughty" Christmas thread at 2+2.

http://tinyurl.com/6pycl

When you're finished, you might need this other link.

http://www.pepto-bismol.com

Glad I could help.