Daniel Negreanu Cheating ???

[4 of a kind]

can't have this be toooo public or the odds on every grey horse, as well as the ones with diarrhea, will plummet drastically!

Many people here reading about the gray horse analogy might be laughing about it. The truth is this statistic actually holds true in many races. I know I've been a losing betting victim to this coincidence more then once.

I also recall getting pushes on certain horses in certain races, and if the horse happened to be the only gray one in the field I would press my wager up just for being gray.

Of course a professional handicapper would never care one way or the other, but it would be interesting to see if there actually was a known statistic on this condition.

[Nifty29]

Many people here reading about the gray horse analogy might be laughing about it. The truth is this statistic actually holds true in many races. I know I've been a losing betting victim to this coincidence more then once.

I also recall getting pushes on certain horses in certain races, and if the horse happened to be the only gray one in the field I would press my wager up just for being gray.

Of course a professional handicapper would never care one way or the other, but it would be interesting to see if there actually was a known statistic on this condition.

The truth is this statistic actually holds true in many races.

it would be interesting to see if there actually was a known statistic on this condition

So the first is just your own experience, not a known statistic. Otherwise there would be no need to look for statistics, yes?

It is more than likely a perception thing, as grey horses stand out from the rest and we tend to remember things like that more readily.

Someone could probably come up with a similar theory for horses beginning with "G" or having only one vowel or which one pooped last in the mounting yard.

[silcnlayc]

, kidice: every other player at the table is being cheated by being denied the same insight!

But they do have the same insight and advantage if they choose to take it just as Daniel did. Who is stopping the other players from having someone watch the 30min delay for them? It all goes back to Daniel being more experienced and knowledgeable and is able to change his play as the cards and players actions dictate after the fact.
Just as in horse racing..I do not get the results BEFORE the horse has run, but I do know after his run on the last race how he fared and if he should be chosen to be on my ticket...this too is called "changing your play" after gaining more knowledge...Just as Daniel did, and owned up to.

I do agree with the fact that this delay really shouldn't be aired DURING the game, but the players did not do this..so it was a bad decision by the tv people, and Daniel and many others took advantage of this to help improve his game...You do agree others were just as able to do what Daniel did so there was no cheating per se by anyone JMO..


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[kidice]

I concede it is not cheating as there is no specific rule against it- yet. But, c'mon! We should all be able to differentiate right from wrong. Why is it becoming okay to justify taking advantage of people in the name of personal gain? (oh, it's ok, it's only "business"!) No, it's NOT okay. It's a huge contributor to the economic situation we're all in, and a huge stumbling block to overcoming it. The reason everyone ISN'T availing themselves of the TV/texting advantage is surely because there are many who never would consider it (just as an honest person wouldn't plan a robbery), and many others who would, but wouldn't attempt it for fear of disqualification (why the fear? because they know it's not right).
We all have the ability to learn how to deal "seconds", mark a deck, foul out another players' hand by mixing it with our own, and worse. Just because this is available to all, STILL does not make it right. Do we really need it printed on paper to act with honor? Well, i can't speak for anyone else- but I can only start with myself, and hope, in some small way, that it slows the spiraling decay of decency and integrity so prevalent in society today.
Whew...............okay, I'm done frothing over this one. It just struck a nerve, i guess.

*sorry bout the rant, folks- Have a great night!

[4 of a kind]

The truth is this statistic actually holds true in many races.

it would be interesting to see if there actually was a known statistic on this condition

So the first is just your own experience, not a known statistic. Otherwise there would be no need to look for statistics, yes?

It is more than likely a perception thing, as grey horses stand out from the rest and we tend to remember things like that more readily.

Someone could probably come up with a similar theory for horses beginning with "G" or having only one vowel or which one pooped last in the mounting yard.

Yes Niffty the first sentence was my own experience not a known statistic. Obviously I added the word statistic by mistake. Thanks for the correction although I'm certain that everyone that read it knew exactly what my point was.

In addition i mentioned quote: "Of course a professional handicapper would never care one way or the other". This should speak for itself when considering colors, letters. taking a shit, or whatever theory.

[Mousey]

I concede it is not cheating as there is no specific rule against it- yet. But, c'mon! We should all be able to differentiate right from wrong. Why is it becoming okay to justify taking advantage of people in the name of personal gain? (oh, it's ok, it's only "business"!) No, it's NOT okay. It's a huge contributor to the economic situation we're all in, and a huge stumbling block to overcoming it. The reason everyone ISN'T availing themselves of the TV/texting advantage is surely because there are many who never would consider it (just as an honest person wouldn't plan a robbery), and many others who would, but wouldn't attempt it for fear of disqualification (why the fear? because they know it's not right).
We all have the ability to learn how to deal "seconds", mark a deck, foul out another players' hand by mixing it with our own, and worse. Just because this is available to all, STILL does not make it right. Do we really need it printed on paper to act with honor? Well, i can't speak for anyone else- but I can only start with myself, and hope, in some small way, that it slows the spiraling decay of decency and integrity so prevalent in society today.
Whew...............okay, I'm done frothing over this one. It just struck a nerve, i guess.

*sorry bout the rant, folks- Have a great night!

well... ya know... I always thought there WAS a rule against cellphones and such at the poker table. Shows how much I know.

[Simmo!]

It's situations like this that explain why there are so many rules in society. It's human nature to try and gain an advantage and more often than not, as in this case, the temptation to make a personal gain overrides what people would call "fair".

IMO it's wrong, unsportsmanlike and you could argue, disresepctful to the "sport" but not at all surprising.

[4 of a kind]

It's human nature to try and gain an advantage and more often than not, as in this case, the temptation to make a personal gain overrides what people would call "fair".

IMO it's wrong, unsportsmanlike and you could argue, disrespectful to the "sport" but not at all surprising.

Well said "Simmo".

Short and perfectly to the point in less then 50 words.