Gambling Wages/Virtual Casinos' Press Release at CAP/Calvin Ayre.com

[RobWin]

Yes, could not agree more the PR effort was putting the cart ahead of the horse. So far I have received a few player issues and I am addressing those now.

LOL.. ... So who's brainstorming idea was that? lolololololol

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What amazes me even more though Marty is how truly out of touch some of you guys are with what really goes on in the industry and to top that, you are the very guys that are in positions of decision making capacity!!

What is WRONG with this pic here brother?? The BIG picture, that is??

Jezzus Krist!!
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[RobWin]

I almost forgot to mention that maybe all of you industry insiders that are planning on attending the next big igaming conference at the end of May, could maybe have a platform there to discuss these serious player issues involving the Virtual Group.

Maybe you guys can do this at the "Prague iGB Supershow"...huh

I was just looking at the list of speakers who are scheduled to speak there for both the iGaming Business Speakers and the iGB Affiliate Speakers and it certainly looks like an informed bunch, I'll tell ya waht!

But dang~it, they all seem to have simply forgot about the players and seem to be speakers that are more focused on SEO and Marketing and Industry Strategies....gosh darn~it

Looks like there is once more no real platform set-up for discussion of the Gambling Wages aka Virtual Group here and how you guys could help rid the industry of this social pariah that has been plaguing it for so long.

But I know the party will still be awesome though with all the free and sponsored drinks and all, that's the important part here and I hate I'm going to miss it...

Thanks again to all the well known peeps that attend these conferences most of the time, and for bringing issues like the "Virtual Group" to the forefront of topics to discuss at these industry meet-ups, if not for you good guys, who would the players have looking out for them at these events!
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[bonustreak]

Shame these casinos are not buildings so they could just be torched down to finally once and for all go the hell away!

Just in case anyone was wondering this is meant as a figure of speech and no more

Thank you Marty for admitting that the PR thing was put way before the horse and I will give you kudos on how your handling this situation, I really hope your being paid well for this massive battle you have ahead of you.

[RobWin]

@ Robwin - your comment on meeting up with GW/Virtual at the next "super-show": Well, I've met with these guys no less than six times since 2003, and you can see where we are today

Actions are louder than words. If they cared about the players, or this industry as a whole, we would never be having this conversation.

Bryan I think you totally missed the point I was making there, please read paragraph 1 an 5 again as I never meant for someone or all to meet with Virtual as I already know that you yourself have already been down that avenue a few times in the past and the recent past....

I was referring to the actual affiliates that attend all of these industry meet-ups to book a room and discuss these issues amongst themselves and come to an agreement on a clear cut path to totally get rid of the Virtual Group once and for all.

Maybe by publishing them to all of their blacklists such as they all did with the Grand Prive affair or a plan to convince newb affiliates why not to promote these pariahs. At any rate, at least that would be a start where no one has attempted this before, at least give it a try instead of sitting in SEO and Marketing meetings the entire time.

My other point is, try to actually make some of these industry meet-ups to be a little more focused on what is best for "the player" and keep the players best interests at heart in at least one of these meetings each year.

What a change that would be huh...instead of all of the focus on how affiliates can continually make new player conversions and rank and line their own pockets.

I do have one simple question for anyone that attends these industry meet-ups and that is:

Who is there looking out for the players best interests at these meetings?

I have yet to see any evidence of this as in regards to the Virtual example I gave above. If I have missed this somewhere then someone please point me in the right direction here, a link, thread, PR release, headline, etc., etc. Thanks!

Remember guys, there is power in numbers in more ways than one!
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[jetset]

Please guys - let's just drop this tit-for-tat that so endangers a useful thread and WW a personal appeal -please give the cap button a break - all this shouting is jangling my nerves .

@RobWin - until you have attended a [non-affiliate, general internet gambling] conference - and there's a big one upcoming in Montreal soon - it's hard to appreciate how much stuff is quietly organised, informed, argued and put together for the benefit of players by a number of people who truly place advocacy above advertising or affiliate activity, and have by deed and reputation earned the respect and the ear of decision makers.

It's not at all the exclusive club of "industry insiders" that some would have you believe, btw - it's open to anyone who is perceived to deliver real and balanced value.

Like Bryan and a few others, these are not the sort of guys and gals that do this stuff so they can subsequently issue press releases, post a brag-fest or otherwise blow their own trumpets.

I don't think your post some pages back about "those who attend conferences" was meant as a criticism of the sort of people I am referring to above, but it is something you should perhaps note and see demonstrated for yourself by attending such a general industry event - it's very informative in any number of positive ways.

Back on topic - @WW - this thread is moving so fast that your response to my last post is now deeply submerged, so I will just comment that if your view remains unchanged regarding the perceived relevance of Marty in real terms, we will have to agree to disagree.

The one thing your rationale does not appear to take into account is the danger to new online gamblers sucked in by manouevres such as "we've turned over a new leaf", because in the past that has turned out to be a hollow promise in several cases, and with this operator in particular.

That's a real danger to newbie players and the reason why there's a need to keep posting challenges whenever someone like Marty (for whom I bear no personal malice) pops up singing from the latest and now well worn "we're cleaning up" hymn sheet.

It's been said many times, but it bears repeating - reputation is a critical element in this industry.

If a company so rashly and repeatedly throws it's rep away, there is no way that players will meekly accept its latest assurance that it is reborn and instantly integrity-driven.

So the past definitely does matter, and until there is bona fide evidence of real change, players should be slow to trust again....even if a respectable affiliate name is spearheading the initiative.

[Casinomeister]

Okay guys - be cool, and keep this thread on track. Thank you.

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