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    I'm at work and am missing parts of this... will probably have to leave before it's over .... someone (JetSet LOL) please post an update when possible.

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    Check out the latest Casinomeister News - there's an extensive report on the hearing there.
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    The testimonies of Harvard's Professor Malcolm K. Sparrow (who is not only an academic but has empirical knowledge from years as a London police detective officer) and Parry Aftab, executive director of WiredSafety was particularly objective and powerful.

    And Youbet's Brodsky was pretty forceful, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetset View Post
    The PPA were quick off the mark in refuting that one!

    A couple years back it was money-laundering that the FBI chose to chastise online gambling, despite some well documented studies that there had been no such thing, and that in fact online presented better financial tracking mechanisms.

    This was referred to again in the present hearings when Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), the current ranking member and former chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security spoke up, asserting publicly that he is not aware of any money laundering or terrorism financing through Internet gaming. He pointed out that if financial crimes were a legitimate concern, then regulation and oversight as proposed in H.R. 2267 is the best way to mitigate that risk.

    Then there's the repeated Bachus accusations that online gambling is more addictive than land gambling, something with he knows very well is BS following extensive studies from various respected outfits, not least of which is the Harvard study.

    It seems these guys are so desperate that they are happy to perpetuate untruths that they know are exactly that, which doesn't say a lot for their much boasted religious morality.

    I had to grin at Bachus accusing Frank over the 3 year delay in getting the UIGEA into force - blithely ignoring the fact that the Treausry and Justice bureaucrats under the Republican Bush Administration screwed around trying to draft same for over two years!

    Then there was Robert Martin, tribal chairman of the Morongo Band of Mission Indians in California who claimed that legalising online gambling would be prejudicial to tribal gambling interests.

    His objection was challenged by Congressman Frank, who noted that the Morongo had recently tried to engineer online poker legalisation state laws that would give them a degree of exclusivity.

    "They are not against Internet poker in general and in fact are trying to get involved in the industry by passing legislation in California," Congressman Frank observed. "You want to be able to do it and have no one else do it, is that the issue?"

    Martin did not respond to the challenge.

    Samuel A. Vallandingham, chief financial officer and vice president of The First State Bank speaking on behalf of the Independent Community Bankers of America said the UIGEA makes impossible demands on community banking in the US. He testified that the attempt to block payment transactions by online casino operators is a burden the financial industry cannot handle.

    "The added burden of monitoring all payment transactions for the taint of unlawful Internet gambling would drain finite resources currently engaged in complying with anti-terrorism, anti-money laundering regulations, the plethora of new regulations emerging from the financial crisis and the daily operation of community banks to meet the financial needs of their customers," he opined.

    He also drew attention to the imprecise definition of illegal online gambling provided in the UIGEA, commenting that because no overriding law exists, banks would have the problematic task of determining each customer's legality with regard to hundreds of state, federal, and local laws.

    "ICBA strongly endorses H.R. 2267, the Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection and Enforcement Act which establishes a federal regulatory and enforcement framework for licensing Internet gambling operators," concluded the banking representative, throwing the bankers' support squarely behind Barney Frank's bill.
    Worth to note that its online poker that has been studied. Not casino gambling. Poker is totally different than casino games.

    So online poker seems to have a good chance to become regulated. For casino gambling it doesnt look good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiderlegz View Post
    Worth to note that its online poker that has been studied. Not casino gambling. Poker is totally different than casino games.

    So online poker seems to have a good chance to become regulated. For casino gambling it doesnt look good.
    I would think that if we get at least one foot in the door, the other will eventually get in also.

    What would happen to poker sites that also offer gaming?

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    The long-running Bwin-Harvard study covers more than just poker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetset View Post
    The long-running Bwin-Harvard study covers more than just poker.
    This was the only thing I found other than poker or sports betting:

    A Harvard Medical School study into the habits of thousands of Bwin customers found that 5 percent of online casino players demonstrated signs of problematic gambling behaviour, compared with just 1 percent of sports bettors in a previous study. Bwin says the findings will assist in the launching of an automated warning system over the coming months, but they may also face political repercussions in a pan-European context.

    And you cant call it totally impartial. And it has only focused on one site and one software.

    So I wouldnt say that online gambling isnt more addictive than land based gambling based on a study that has mainly focused on poker players.

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    I think you may need to read up more comprehensively on the Bwin-Harvard study before so lightly dismissing it.

    It's probably the biggest empirical study ever carried out on Internet gambling and involves years of research based on tens of thousands of players and raw data from this substantial European online gambling group.

    Bwin are to be commended, imo, for investing so much time, effort and money on problem gambling and giving Harvard carte blanche on how to handle the ongoing study.

    There are also interesting studies by the UK Gambling Commission's ongoing gambling prevalence survey and the somewhat older eCOGRA survey of around 11 000 players.

    As I recall, all give the lie to Bachus's claims.
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