Affiliate Union

[Auditor]

I did in fact recommend Gamtrak. My recommendation was based on her character and her activity in the forums. I did not review her site. I did not ask any qualifying questions. I just thought she would fight for affiliates rights. I am sorry it was an issue. Don't blame Robin, it is my fault she was involved.
I did not mean to put Dave in a bad situation by it. My apologies to Dave and to rest of the AU gang.

~ Anthony

[unicorn40]

You recommended her based on her character and her activity in the forums??
Then you must have known the crap casinos etc. that she has promoted for years....?

[AussieDave]

Integrity whom I think is J Todd has offered to produce his correspondence that pertains to all this except AussieDave resigned over at GPWA so how can all the pieces of the puzzle be displayed for all to see????

The only correspondence I had with JTodd regarding the AU was over on Facebook on the 6'th September 2009.

I'm happy to post that here if CasinoMeister (it's his forum) and Integrity (JTodd) is in agreement for me to do so.

Hell I'm happy post everything here between myself, APCW Anthony and Michael.

But I ain't posting jack at the GPWA.


Cheers

Dave

[JHV]

To be fair, Gamtrak has stated that when her media buy thingy with GW is up she won't be promoting them anymore.
Just putting that out there....

And after I finish robbing the last 2 of my 10 planned banks in my target area, I'm not going to do armed robbery anymore.

Just putting that out there.

[AussieDave]

Don't blame Robin, it is my fault she was involved.

Just your fault?

But you told me that you and JTodd had discussed the AU and its set-up. Or has the clique now elected (cough...told) you to be the fall guy

Or worse did you just tell me JTodd was involved in these discussions, when he wasn't?


Dave

[Pinababy69]

I really don't like the way this thing has all gone down.Robin was at least willing to put her time and effort into trying to make this work.Now it is just a bashing session against her.If we have to rogue every casino site and portal who has gambling wages on their site there wont be many of us left.

What's that old joke....what do you call 1000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? Punchline....a good start. Getting rid of each and every affiliate and webmaster who INSIST on promoting GW and all the other Virtual shitholes would be a great start to cleaning up this industry IMO. And no offense intended to any lawyers who may read this....just quoting an old joke.

As to Gamtrak in particular...I do agree that this topic/thread shouldn't be focused solely on her/her involvement. I see a whole lot of other things at play here.

You are absolutely correct. I've made my views known about "X and Y" across the street at the-place-that-shall-not-be-mentioned and haven't rehashed them here.
Answer...The APCW's 2 biggies and the GPWA are owned by you-know-who...GW cheerleaders all. Why wouldn't they insist Gamtrak, a mover and a shaker with a great big rep, be a "founder" when they see nothing wrong with GW anyway?
There's motives, and then there's motives. Do the math.

I couldn't agree more Swamp. It's really becoming clear to me that this is less about Gamtrak, and much more about motivation. And fear of any organization that doesn't accept money for sponsorship, paid advertisement, etc. That is most definitely seen as a threat to the "common good", which is making money. Nothing wrong with making money, as long as it's done in an ethical manner. What I'm really seeing here is a desire to have a complete monopoly on the affiliate market, and how business is conducted.

My recommendation was based on her character and her activity in the forums.

Her character? Dear God Lisa, bite your tongue, bite your tongue, bite your tongue. Sit on your hands...okay, better now.

The only correspondence I had with JTodd regarding the AU was over on Facebook on the 6'th September 2009.

I'm happy to post that here if CasinoMeister (it's his forum) and Integrity (JTodd) is in agreement for me to do so.

Hell I'm happy post everything here between myself, APCW Anthony and Michael.

But I ain't posting jack at the GPWA.


Cheers

Dave

I just read your posts over "yonder" Dave. Ha...that's about all I can say. Pretty clear to me you put someone's nose out of joint. It's like you're the good cop in the precinct full of dirty ones, who refuses to take the kickbacks that all the others take every month. One word comes to mind....Pariah. That's you...or will be, if you don't keep quiet. Shhhhhh...... are ya scared yet? It's too bad that some have to rip you down for trying to do something "real", and God forbid....for NO money. Imagine. The nerve of you. Don't you know you're upsetting the apple cart, and throwing the universe out of whack? Bad, bad Dave.

I really hope you guys succeed with this (and you shouldn't drop out Dave). There is no better revenge than success. Remember that.

[AussieDave]

Anthony,

As I no longer visit, much less post at the GPWA, this is place (unless you visit the place over yonder) is where I'll be posting.

Given that fact...I have no other way of asking you to please stop emailing me.

I'm not interested.

Anything that needs to be said to me by you can be said in public. If you can't do that then it probably shouldn't be said at all.


Dave

[triple777s]

I am sorry if what i am about to say pisses anybody off, but what the F**k!

Do you see how screwed up our industry is? This whole project was supposed to be something GOOD, HELPFUL for ALL Affiliates, but look at what has become of it, in what...a day or two?

Jesus Christ no wonder we can't get a F**king thing accomplished in the business, everyone is out to make a freaking soap opera!

Ok, So Gamtrak promotes rogue programs, I am sure there are others here that also do it to, we just don't check every single site, hell i probably still have some up if you go back far enough in my archives, and what about Casino City? I still have a BIG problem that they still have links for Grand Prive Casinos up? Regardless of the "reason" they give, it still stinks, but that seems to be ok with everyone. There are soooo many rogue groups out there, I am sure everyone has a list of who "they" think is rogue and others don't....so just drop the tar and feathering of Robin, and get to the real subject here,

Why doesn't this industry accomplish anything good? Because the minute someone takes an initiative, it gets shot down, dramatized, lied about..etc. Unless of course the person starting the new endeavor is one of the "Lord Affiliates or Webmasters" that can DO NO F**KING WRONG.!!

This all Stinks, and I am so sick of people ripping each other, whats that saying.....

Let the one cast the first stone...etc..etc..etc..

[mrracetrack]

This is posted on the APCW site...

Gold Sponsors:

400 Affiliates
Doyle Brunson Poker Network
Gambling Wages

This is AFTER J.Todd had his "infamous" meeting in Costa Rica with Gambling Wages Affiliate manager Robert Green... and AFTER J.Todd admitted that all the promises made (on his video webcast) by GW to pay outstanding monies owed to winning players had NOT been kept.

Still "Gold Sponsors" on your site, Anthony & J. Todd??

Not surprising really... money talks... bullshit walks.

[chalkie]

I am getting from this thread that people see the direction that we as a union are heading in as good and that we will be supported.

I would like to take some heat from the topic and ask that people support the union and it endeavours.

I do believe that all organisations involved in fighting the bad in our industry are there to do so, however, also look to earn in the process. This will always promote a feeling of distrust to varied extent.

I cannot knock people for earning money from this industry and until now there has been no 1 person prepared to fight the enemy without making a buck off the back of it.

This until now has been the norm in this and most online industrys.

It is now clear that making money as a sideline from an organisation that is trying to fight the bad guys within is fraught with issues.

This is the reasoning behind the union and why we will not give up and let people down.

The union will have to work with the existing organisations in many ways in the future and this will be beneficial for the union and affiliates in the longterm.

Time is nigh for supporting anyone that can and will make a difference to the industry issues.

The time is not right for organisations to fight each other, the time is right to be united and conquer.