Affiliate Union

[JHV]

What i will say is that we are aiming to be completely transparent, open to all input from affiliates and only interested in fighting evil, for this we will require no compensation.

I just need a pen....

[RobWin]

I would like to chip in now and allow you all the knowledge that i am 1 of the founders, none of us have a reason to hide our involvement as we will all be there on display when the doors are open.

I for one hope that it does not fragment the industry any further and can categorically state that we are not looking to replace CAP or sneak in to the void left since its demise.

Look guys, not taking direct sponsorship for the organisation is completely different to whatever any affiliate does in their own business.

OK, playing with the devil will not be a good idea for any founder, however, in todays climate, if any affiliate was to omitt every program that had some sort of issue in lets say the previous 12 months, then we would all be carrying very few banners etc.

Small affiliate, large affiliate, super affiliate, we are all affiliates and suffer to some degree with bad apples.

The AU will not be asking for people to drop out of supporting here, the GPWA, APCW or anywhere else, especially as all these organisations have much to offer to the affiliate community.

The AU will maybe work with all the other organisations at times and autonomously at other times.

To succeed the AU will need the support of the affiliate community and will need to come up with methods not so far employed by any organisation yet! The AU will need to show results, and i can assure you that all founders are 100% committed to trying to create a much more level playing field for all.

What i will say is that every single 1 of the founders is so because they want to help sort out some if not all of the problems we all see on a daily basis.

In my mind, the more people fighting the issues the better and if 1 organisation comes up with a system of winning the war against the crooks then that can only be good.

Do i ask for support? NO

Do i want support? YES

Will we succeed without support? NO

Will we succeed with support? MAYBE

So what have we to lose offering support to the AU?

We the founders of the AU are not intending on using the AU as a tool for gaining any type of rewards for ourself, however, we will as individual business people continue to earn a living out of the industry by other means!

open to all input from affiliates and only interested in fighting evil

Welcome to Casinomeister Chalkie...

I've just got two simple and quick questions for you here, if I may:

1. What is the AU's stance or policy on it's members, founders, etc. etc. promoting Known Rogue Casinos?

I'm not talking about a few casinos that have had a shaky or shady past over the last say 12 months or even two years but those Known Rogue Casinos that have fu*ked and screwed peeps over for the last decade. The likes of the notorious "Virtual Group" or the "Crystal Palace Group" !!

2. How will the ethical affiliates mix with the not so ethical ones?

Tuff questions I know, but they should also be two simple and easy questions that I for one would certainly hope that have been brought up for discussion amongst yourselves in laying the foundation of this new organization on granite and not clay.
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[jas2587]

I believe the founder members are listed on the public thread in the GPWA. Those that I know of are:

Aussie Dave ( Trezz )
Gamtrak
Greek39
Mojo

Doesnt Gametrac promote Rogue Casinos on her site as of right now?


Cindy

[mojo]

Welcome to Casinomeister Chalkie...

I've just got two simple and quick questions for you here, if I may:

1. What is the AU's stance or policy on it's members, founders, etc. etc. promoting Known Rogue Casinos?

I'm not talking about a few casinos that have had a shaky or shady past over the last say 12 months or even two years but those Known Rogue Casinos that have fu*ked and screwed peeps over for the last decade. The likes of the notorious "Virtual Group" or the "Crystal Palace Group" !!

2. How will the ethical affiliates mix with the not so ethical ones?

Tuff questions I know, but they should also be two simple and easy questions that I for one would certainly hope that have been brought up for discussion amongst yourselves in laying the foundation of this new organization on granite and not clay.
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Good questions and the first one not tough at all.

1. Founding members will not promote Virtual/GW casinos or any other well established rogue casinos. Period. We did discuss this and it is firm.

2. Is actually a little tougher. I'm sure you know that affiliates cannot be told who they can/can't promote. It only alienates everyone. That is not the purpose of the AU. We do hope however that we can strive for influence in this area.

#2 we need more discussion on Rob to be honest. For example, rogue affiliates, spammers etc. We are still working hard on a lot of things.

[bb28]

Good questions and the first one not tough at all.

1. Founding members will not promote Virtual/GW casinos or any other well established rogue casinos. Period. We did discuss this and it is firm.

2. Is actually a little tougher. I'm sure you know that affiliates cannot be told who they can/can't promote. It only alienates everyone. That is not the purpose of the AU. We do hope however that we can strive for influence in this area.

#2 we need more discussion on Rob to be honest. For example, rogue affiliates, spammers etc. We are still working hard on a lot of things.

In that case GamTrak needs to check her homepage. Today's view lists Cirrus and Cool Cat on the front page.

[jod5413]

If I was an ethical affiliate, only promoting good, trustworthy casinos, I wouldn't have anything to do with this new "program".

As a player, I have some knowledge of the founders, and it isn't very impressive, IMO.

You simply can not expect affiliates and others to believe your "mission statement" when some of the founders do, in fact, promote rogue casinos and programs, or have "other" problems.

So, as usual, it's all about the dollar.

[JHV]

In that case GamTrak needs to check her homepage. Today's view lists Cirrus and Cool Cat on the front page.

Oh I'm sorry if this comes out too strong, but I will have NO PART of any organisation at ANY point which has an affiliate like this even as a member, let alone in some kind of influential or founding position / status.

Actually, I'm not sorry. Any organisation that has an affiliate like this as a member will be, for want of a better term, a 'target' for me to criticise (FAIRLY) and expose. If there are ethical affiliates in that founding group (as I firmly want to believe), I apologise if they are your personal friend or something, but I cannot see how your organisation can claim any kind of moral high ground with members of this ilk.

Cirrus Casino? I'm in such shock I'm not even able to objectively read my words to see if they are offensive. I'm trying not to be offensive.

But Cirrus were one of the most ROGUE casinos in the world FIVE years ago (and I hear are just as ROGUE now). They still owe me thousands from 5 yrs ago in PURE theft.

That someone is promoting them now whilst talking about (or in some way involved in) setting up an organisation which claims to "fight evil"....literally has me staring at the screen in shock.

I'm flabbergasted right now. I don't know this person, I have no 'agenda' against him or her, but I will not be a part of any organisation that allows them to be a member at any point (even if they dropped all their Rogue casinos before joining).

[mrracetrack]

The new Affiliate Union is being "closed" before it opens...

Seems the "founders" weren't aware of Gamtraks involvement with Virtual/Gambling Wages...

You did the right thing, Dave...

Posted on the GPWA by Dave:

http://www.gpwa.org/forum/affiliate-...183213/p9.html

[JHV]

Wow. I just read the last page - in the past, I would have found that delightfully delicious drama. Am more 'sad' now though.

What a mess. I'm not even *close* to qualified enough to comment on any part of it (so out of my depth here it feels almost redundant to post) except to say it very much seems like you did the right thing, Dave!

The AU was something that could have worked.

However the stink in this industry is partners with corruptions, conflicts of interest and cliques who want a monopoly over not only gambling affiliates but the industry on a whole.

dammit. Is it a hopeless war this one that I've just started spectating from the sidelines?

....and I thought the online poker rakeback industry was a chaotic mess! What a world! I feel...inadequate and ill-equipped.

[mojo]

Am more 'sad' now though.

Ditto. I was pretty passionate about it and still am. It was a bad start that just got worse and finally unfixable. Dave did a great job handling things the way he felt was right. However, I do have my own independant feelings on some things.

Maybe it'll go better next time.