Affiliate Union

[maxd]

Lets see, one member is bi-polar, and possibly has other "issues", one is a drunk that likes to threaten people, one is an unknown entity, and one is too naive to be up to the task.

Please take a few minutes to review the Forum Rules. In particular note the following:

1. General Posting Rules:

1.1 - No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. Abusive behavior will not be tolerated and your account may be suspended. Please refrain from potty mouth language.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Regards,
Max.

[greek39]

Nevermind.

I thought so...

greek39

[maxd]

Nevermind.

Excuse me? I asked you a direct question and I expect an answer, on or offline as you prefer.

In case you've forgotten the question was:

Is there some connection between you and jod5413?

I ask because I have concerns regarding the integrity of posts made here in this thread. That is a fair and reasonable concern. I am waiting for your response.

[greek39]

Nevermind was replaced instead of mrracetrack's desire to post some really nasty PM's apparently from me. I suppose to demonstrate my drunken nasty behavior.

He spare me.

Calling it a day Max.

greek39

[maxd]

I've been told that Jod is posting for Racetrack because of computer problems or whatever ... dicey stuff but I think we've got bigger problems here.

I'm temporarily closing this so folks can chill a bit (and get their computers working again or whatever).

Come back with cooler heads folks.

[AussieDave]

Hi all,

I'm writing this because one of our peers decided to post a response to me that included the fact that I have a mental illness.

The payload intended to cause not only character damage but to inflict as much personal hurt as possible.

Fortunately for me things like this don't affect me because I simply view anyone who would stoop to such depths of depravity as being very iffy in their morals.

However it could certainly affect someone else who has a mental illness. In fact if the same post was sent to the a person who was in the depths of depression it could very well lead to this person committing suicide.

As senior member of this forum I'm totally disgusted at the level to which this post has been levelled.

It's one thing calling someone a mindless moron or other such personal digs.

But it's a totally different ball park when one thinks it's OK to take pot shots at someone with a disability.

1 in 4 people have some form of mental illness.
Anxiety and the by product of this panic attacks are on the increase.
These are a form of mental illness also.

As someone who has bi-polar and who has to deal with the issues that presents on a daily basis, I am compelled to by my own sense of moral fibre to say that anyone who throws such comments & or attitudes around or at another human being should hang their head in shame.

I sure hope that my my peers on CasinoMeister.com do not condone this type of behaviour.



Cheers

Dave

[daera]

Hi all,

I'm writing this because one of our peers decided to post a response to me that included the fact that I have a mental illness.

The payload intended to cause not only character damage but to inflict as much personal hurt as possible.

Fortunately for me things like this don't affect me because I simply view anyone who would stoop to such depths of depravity as being very iffy in their morals.

However it could certainly affect someone else who has a mental illness. In fact if the same post was sent to the a person who was in the depths of depression it could very well lead to this person committing suicide.

As senior member of this forum I'm totally disgusted at the level to which this post has been levelled.

It's one thing calling someone a mindless moron or other such personal digs.

But it's a totally different ball park when one thinks it's OK to take pot shots at someone with a disability.

1 in 4 people have some form of mental illness.
Anxiety and the by product of this panic attacks are on the increase.
These are a form of mental illness also.

As someone who has bi-polar and who has to deal with the issues that presents on a daily basis, I am compelled to by my own sense of moral fibre to say that anyone who throws such comments & or attitudes around or at another human being should hang their head in shame.

I sure hope that my my peers on CasinoMeister.com do not condone this type of behaviour.



Cheers

Dave

I don't condone it. And I don't think most people here condone it.

It was a b.s. thing to post. Forget it, it's not worth dwelling on too much.

[maxd]

AussieDave, I've merged your post -- originally a new thread -- here because it obviously is a response to an earlier post in this thread.

As I've told you, the person in question has been warned, dinged on Rep and Bryan has been notified. This is normal procedure for situations like this and not a trivial response.

If you have further issue with this please direct it to Bryan or myself. Posts to the boards which are obviously meant as messages to us personally are not really kosher.

I should also add that if you PM me and for whatever reason you decide you don't like my response to the issue raised your next step should not be to post your issue to the boards. Bryan, not the forums, is the proper next step for your complaint. Trying to use the boards to crowbar us into doing what you want is way uncool.

Regards,
Max.

[Casinomeister]

Sometimes it totally amazes me on how grown adults act in a public forum. What total bullshit.

Jod - 14 day suspension for making vicious comments about fellow members. Totally uncalled for.
Mrracetrack - your "thanks" capabilities have been revoked for thanking this post:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post319993

Some of you need to seriously grow up.

[JHV]

Some random thoughts / sentiments that others may share (note: I started writing this in response to suggestions in the [now-locked - (edit: now unlocked - thx Max, locking of thread was definitely appropriate ofc)] AU thread that an Affiliates Union would be setup where the people running it would receive no reimbursement):

I'd be a WHOLE lot more comfortable with being part of an affiliates' union if members were charged subscription fees (like every union does across the globe, at least I've never heard of one that didn't).

However, unions have power - that is their point, of course. But the power must rest with the union membership, not with union leaders. Union leaders should only ever be the public face of and the representatives of the union's power - they should never hold actual power - and the only way to ensure this is a proper charter and regular elections.

Frankly, I question why anyone would want to put in huge amounts of work running a union for no reimbursement - on the condition that their leadership cannot be revoked. That would not be a union, it would be more like fascism For what it's worth, fascism only has a negative connotation because humans are what we are. Power corrupts the best of men. I am only repeating what a journalist who claimed to be an expert on African affairs once told me, but he claimed Mugabe was a true patriot when he came to power - all he cared about was justice for his subjugated countrymen. And look at him now. A miserable wreck of a man doing more damage to his country every day he stays in power - living in palaces whilst children starve in the streets.

In regards to Nandakishore's comment about being uncomfortable with who attributes 'rogue' status in the AU thread: I would hope that one of the PRIMARY goals of any affiliate union would be to determine who is rogue and who isn't. And this would be done by public discussion and consensus - or even a vote requiring x% (where x = 2/3rds?) for the motion to be passed (should the particular Rogue Question be controversial or divisive).

But, however an affiliate union determines who is 'rogue' and who is 'not-yet-rogue', once that determination is reached, the union should show it's power by universal disassociation from that rogue operator. And any who don't like it can cross the "picket line" and subject themselves to calls of "scab" and whatnot - but they should have their membership revoked if they are draining the union's overall power by refusing to follow the union decision. I, personally, would see no point in being in an affiliates' union if that union allowed members - when faced with a union vote of (example only) 71% ROGUE - to continue to promote that Rogue without being forced to walk the picket line.

Unions can be incredibly powerful, but ONLY through effective organisation, a well-written and unambiguous charter, and transparent ballots which result in a strong Public Face of Singularity - this means strict "tow the party line" rules in regards to attitude and behaviour, even if you disagree with the consensus on that issue. A union allowed to have members who don't follow the consensus and just do their own thing as it suits them would, in my opinion, be a union with no power.

Without power, what would be the point?

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BTW I seriously do not think we need public boards to take the fight to Grand Prive. Most process skills to make their existence miserable.

I like the cut of greek39's jib

From what I've heard of Grand Prive, sure sounds like they technically 'deserve' it - and in a lawless environment, I can sympathise with the vigilante sentiment. Just not sure vigilante action is the answer though - there might be avenues like an Affiliates Union worth pursuing first - and, frankly, I'm a bit concerned such skills could be targeted at the "good guys" I guess.

I've always felt conflicted on the vigilante issue. I think I'm against vigilante action in principle. But I know that if placed in certain hypothetical situations, my 'principled' opposition to vigilante action would be dismissed in about 0.003 seconds.