Anything new w/GP?

[Mousey]

Just wondering what, if any, discussions took place with Grand Prive and whether they were productive?

[Casinomeister]

I never saw any of them.

[bonustreak]

From what I heard GP guys cancelled at the last minute and stated that if talks are going to happen CAP management needs to fly to SA to discuss the mess. That is all I know and I myself plan to keep making sure the public is informed of this cheating company!

Hey Meister maybe you can fly to kick them around a bit

[vinylweatherman]

Given that they are now saving between 20% and 30% that would otherwise go to affiliates (and rightly so under the contracts), they may be considering throwing this amount directly at their remaining player base, giving them an unfair advantage over other casino groups that have a player base gained through affiliates.

They have already started, I just got a copy of the Grand Prive magazine - but I am not eligible having plummeted right down to RED tier. It announces the launch of a new super giveaway promotion, and in true "casino rewards style" tells me that if I deposit just a few times I will advance to Jack & get weekly bonuses.


What a crock of .....

I was KING tier for over a year, and received ONE "weekly bonus" in all that time, and THIS is why I am now at RED

Clearly, the 5 casinos are STILL open for business, exposing yet another lie given to affiliates that the 5 would close (thus justifying the closure of affiliate contracts at the end of November) with all non-US players moved to Villa Fortuna.

So - it's WORSE than it seemed at first, affiliates are CLEARLY being screwed each and every month the 5 main casinos continue to take deposits and wagers from players they referred there.

It seems that Grand Prive have also "done an RTG" and cancelled their appearance in London, so they must know they are in for a hard time.

Where is MICROGAMING in all this? THEY are allowing one of their licencees to renege on business agreements, and THEY have the power to make Grand Prive come to the table, after all, they demonstrated the degree of this power against TUSK, so we KNOW what MGS could do, and WOULD do if it were they who lost out were Grand Prive to unilaterally rewrite their contract for supply of the software.

They could of course be taken to court in S.A, and have even thrown down the challenge. They must be relying on no-one ever taking this up, and the issue quickly dying away as most players will notice no difference, even those who joined through affiliates who are now getting screwed.

[spiderlegz]

Actually they had it in their T&Cs for affiliates (http://web.archive.org/web/200801240...onditions.aspx) so I dont see why MG would or could do anything.
Players are "robbed" by FU clauses all the time why wouldnt affiliates be? Tough luck I would say.

And shouldnt they just get a warning instead of being rogued?
A quote from maxd´s warning about Golden Lounge:

"Any single one of these incidents is probably not sufficient grounds to issue this Warning but when you put them together it adds up to this: Golden Lounge players are at the mercy of a hostile casino management. From what I've seen they'll use anything they can to deny winnings and lock players out. Deposits are usually confiscated, per those aforementioned Terms and Conditions of course.

At this point it is unlikely that Golden Lounge will be inducted into the Rogue Pit because most of their actions can be 'justified' under the umbrella of those T&Cs of theirs. Nevertheless it is my firm belief that players depositing at Golden Lounge are putting both their money and their trust in jeopardy."

[silcnlayc]

I just got a copy of the Grand Prive magazine

I just got mine too today and was reduced to the lowest level of player...

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[vinylweatherman]

I just got mine too today and was reduced to the lowest level of player...
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That is my point, we are NOT ENTITLED to the magazine at this level - the reason players are getting sent them is in order to include a "we miss you" letter, and a peek at what we are going to miss in a couple of months.

Unlike last time, there was no free £100, and I was fed a crock of sh1te that I could deposit, get my level up a bit, and get weekly offers. I DIDN'T GET weekly offers when I was KING level, and now they are trying to convince me that I will if I work up to JACK level. They will have to do better, alot better in fact, since Monday/Tuesday I uninstalled all 5 Grand Privvy casinos during a general clean-up aimed at reinstalling MGS right from scratch to see if I can improve on the permanently "broken" software that may be a result of all the updates on top of old installations.

They do indeed have an affiliate "F U Clause", however I noticed two other things. The scheme was advertised as being "in partnership with Microgaming" - so this puts MGS in the frame; secondly, there is a term that allows either party to take a dispute to arbitration, although unfortunately this is governed by the laws of Curaco.

Roguedom is justified, since they screwed EVERY affiliate with a blanket application of the "FU Clause", whereas Golden Lounge did the usual thing of screwing a relatively small proportion of the total with theirs. Roguedom also serves to keep the Grand Prive incident as a topic for discussion, and in future, affiliate bodies can be stricter about allowing such terms to exist now that it has been shown that less scrupulous groups will misuse the spirit of such terms to line their own pockets.
It would be a different matter had the casinos actually closed, and the players put on the market for affiliates to attract. Grand Prive is going to have trouble with any new affiliate scheme it tries, although it seems that at present they are trying to do it without affiliates. If this is so, then non-US players on their database should expect further "come back" offers, as well as some "refer a friend" promotions. There is likely to be an increase in GP spam through direct emailing companies, such as Net Atlantic, and these will have the tag missing, or set to the MG default affiliate (stored in the casino's main registry key as data in value name "cookie").

[bonustreak]

Point is they screwed their affiliate partners in business what makes you think they will not do the same to players? Who in their right mind would want to play at a casino that would potential refuse to pay them a jackpot win on some trumped of FU Claus they decide to toss your way?

[spiderlegz]

Point is they screwed their affiliate partners in business what makes you think they will not do the same to players? Who in their right mind would want to play at a casino that would potential refuse to pay them a jackpot win on some trumped of FU Claus they decide to toss your way?

Why would they? If its in their T&Cs then its considered ok.

And actually they never used a FU clause. Its quite clear in the agreement and if you sign it you accept the terms.

I by now means like Grand Prive, actually they have been in my personal Rogue pit since 2006. Its just funny (or sad) that when the T&Cs are used to stiff affiliates everyone is crying out loud but when players are in the same position the phrase "you accepted the terms, tough luck" is used.

So no, I have no symphaty for the affiliates in this case (especially as we are talking bout Grand Prive here, you should have known better). Do your due diligence better next time.

[Casinomeister]

Just to ensure there is no misunderstanding here, Grand Prive was thrown into the rogue pit for bad casino practice. I was not - nor ever have been - an affiliate of Grand Prive, nor has GP ever purchased ad space at Casinomeister. I just wanted to make sure everyone understands that this is not a case of having some sort of $$ vendetta

Also, there are a number of affiliates who have been outspoken about the GP fiasco, and were not affiliates of theirs either.