A letter to the casinos

[jas2587]

If you don't take a bonus you will lose. Period. If you enjoy losing, go ahead and pour your money down the drain.

But here is a solution to all the non-bonus losers. Play in Fun Mode. Because I can't see the difference - you can't win not taking a bonus, and you can't win playing Fun Mode. Except in Fun Mode - you can't lose either!

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you are wrong you say if you don't take a bonus you will lose
I dont take a bonus an I win quite often I have never had to fund my Quicktender or ewallet with cash from any banking or wire transfers etc I have always funded mine from Winning an not taking a Bonus

Cindy

So I dont have to play in fun mode
an there are casino reps that can verify that i dont take any bonus unless they force it on you as in as soon as you deposit they add it like Micro does

[catrina m]

I have always appreciated a little appreciation bonus, they should at least acknowledge that deposits are the means by which they survive.

I generally like playing an an even field, where i can get out with a lucky win if I so chose. All the bonuses I have played have been free with no deposit sans a scant few.

If your giving out free money I will take your bonus terms no matter how ridiculous, but when I deposit hard earned money I want it to be clear, if I win I might walk with it.

[mojo]

I can relate to the OP except that I have never cashed out at Red Flush and deposited tons. Not to say it isn't a good casino but when I go to chat for a little something something I expect it. I dont ask for much.

I do like this casino but I get comped better elsewhere so that is where I will go. I happen to like comps because I get tired of playing with my own dam money sometimes lol. And, I like to see how a bonus request is received. Here is my chat from just tonight. I thought my request was resonable but I ended up confused. Maybe I was mixed up? I definately am treated better elsewhere. There is some confusion on loyalty or is it me? It didn't make much sense but the responses were so slow I had to get out.

Micky: Welcome to Red Flush Casino. How may I assist you?
paula: hi micky
Micky: hi Paula
paula: just wondering if i have any loyalty points. i deposited over 1000 this month already but I don't get much for loyalty
Micky: please give me one moment
paula: ty
Micky: your current loyalty balance is 2678
paula: i didnt see that. is that in the my account section?
paula: i see 101
Micky: that is loyalty balance
Micky: the points earned to this date is 2678
paula: can i redeem them for $26?
Micky: i will have to check that
paula: my loyalty shows there is only 101
Micky: And that is correct
paula: ?
Micky: you can redeemed from 1000 loyalty points
paula: i dont understand. you said i have 2678
paula: then 101
paula: then 1000?
Micky: no i said that the points that you earned to this date are 2678
paula: no you said my current loyalty balance is 2678. my history shows i have redeemed 4000 to date
Micky: your current loyalty balance is 101
paula: you have lost me micky lol
Micky: Oh my mistake.
Micky: I am sorry for that Paula
paula: no problem
Micky: so i was saying that your points earned to date are 2678
Micky: and your loyalty balance is 101
Micky: so you can redeem from 1000 loyalty points
paula: but i cannot because i only have 101 correct?
Micky: yes!!!
paula: ok so I deposit over 1000 and get about $10?
paula: i think there is something very wrong here
Micky: not if you deposit, if you earn 1000 loyalty points
Micky: you cannot buy loyalty points
paula: i should be getting more than $10 for depositing and playing over $1000. dont you agree?
paula: i earn points by playing
paula: i do much better at other microgaming casinos
paula: so i will just uninstall red flush
Micky: what do you mean?
paula: if i deposit 1000, i usually look forward to redeeming a fair amount of loyalty. not $10
Micky: most casinos have the same approach when it come to the loyalty points
paula: im sorry, i will just leave it at that and do not wish to play at red flush at this time.
paula: thank you for your assistance.
paula: i will be uninstalling. i understand i cannot re-install as i am in the usa
Micky: You are welcome Paula.
paula: best of luck to you.

[tofu23]

you are wrong you say if you don't take a bonus you will lose
I dont take a bonus an I win quite often I have never had to fund my Quicktender or ewallet with cash from any banking or wire transfers etc I have always funded mine from Winning an not taking a Bonus

Cindy

So I dont have to play in fun mode
an there are casino reps that can verify that i dont take any bonus unless they force it on you as in as soon as you deposit they add it like Micro does

Which casino game(s) are giving you +EV jas2587 - let us all in on the secret.

And just imagine - how much more you would have won had you taken a bonus!!

Harping on about "not taking a bonus" is an invitation for people to lose. It is attempting to make a virtue out of losing your money.

Sorry, I can't hide my contempt for such things. On another thread (Ksmiss' letter??) I read about Casino owners, Casino Managers, Casino Affiliates quaffing champagne and dining out on truffles.

I decided a long time ago that it will be a cold day in hell before I pay for truffles and the fattening of a Casino's waistline.

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[chuchu59]

Tofu,

A bit too harsh on someone who just happens to disagree with you. I always take a bonus when I want to play slots because it extends my playing time. Sometimes, when I am down to the last few dollars of my bonus and where the depsit was already lost, I bounced back with a good profit. However, there were also occasions where I had a healthy profit early in my slot play but eventually busted out because of the WRs. So, if you dont take a bonus, you hope to win big and early because the longer you play the more the -EV will bear on you. On the other hand, if you take a bonus you should examine the terms carefully. Anything over 15x deposit+bonus or unwithdrawable bonus is not to my liking as you are likely to bust 90% of the time. That said, I still play a couple of these and bet big at high variance slots.

In summary, to each his own. You wouldnt expect KK to play without a bonus and you are unlikely to see Bryan, Simmo or Pinababy playing with one. Both ways work sometimes though I guess everybody knows that we lose in the long run.

[Jufo]

You are not getting my point here. I have no problem here, what I do not understand is how this practice accually serves the casino? It sounds to me that the the casino is not serving their own best interest here.

So look at it as a theoretical question I would like to try and understand the business logic behind, since I do not get it.

I know, it shows a very bad business sense to turn away past winners from returning. On the other hand giving a free chip is always financial risk, because you might win from it and never come back. They cannot be sure that you will return to gamble.

Some casinos have different policies though. Some time ago I won 5000$ from a MG casino and after I cashed out, they made me a golden member and invited me to nice promotions, as well as putting some 100$ free chips on my account. I got the treatment that is commonly reserved for losing players only.

[GGW Laurie]

I know, it shows a very bad business sense to turn away past winners from returning. On the other hand giving a free chip is always financial risk, because you might win from it and never come back. They cannot be sure that you will return to gamble.

Some casinos have different policies though. Some time ago I won 5000$ from a MG casino and after I cashed out, they made me a golden member and invited me to nice promotions, as well as putting some 100$ free chips on my account. I got the treatment that is commonly reserved for losing players only.

a good casino will always take care of it's loyal customers, if they want to continue to have that player's custom imo....laurie

[kimss]

Some time ago I won 5000$ from a MG casino and after I cashed out, they made me a golden member and invited me to nice promotions, as well as putting some 100$ free chips on my account. I got the treatment that is commonly reserved for losing players only.

Just for the point of argument, did you ever return to that casino and made more deposits as a result of this great treatment?

If you did - giving you that same treatment as if you were on the other end of the stick - infact made you becoma a loyal customer instead of throwing you away.

If I didn't ask for a chip here and there this would not be any problem for me, but since I isually do this, and since I usually get one while losing I can't help being frustrated by the flawed logic from the casino denying me this since I won. (that is - they lose a customer).

You say they have no way of knowing I am going to lose? Well that is just bollocks. If I lose 1K in a fresh account and can get $100 with wagering requirements, why would loosing 1K a week after you won be any different? 1K should be 1K. If I won the last weel, surely the ods of me winning again would be slim! Infact - close to none - unless the system itself is flawed and serve the wins in cycles that is. Again - I just cannot see what the casino stands to gain by this.

Anyway, it's friday, time for beer!

[jas2587]

Which casino game(s) are giving you +EV jas2587 - let us all in on the secret.

And just imagine - how much more you would have won had you taken a bonus!!

Harping on about "not taking a bonus" is an invitation for people to lose. It is attempting to make a virtue out of losing your money.

Sorry, I can't hide my contempt for such things. On another thread (Ksmiss' letter??) I read about Casino owners, Casino Managers, Casino Affiliates quaffing champagne and dining out on truffles.

I decided a long time ago that it will be a cold day in hell before I pay for truffles and the fattening of a Casino's waistline.

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your post just reeks of contempt or hate either 1 you hate the fact that some people win an win with their own style of play I have winning screen shots in the screenshot 2 from the same day an they aint for penny's either but they are not for 1000's either but damn I made heck of a wage at those 2casino's for 4 hrs playing time

if I would have taken a bonus I do not think I would have cashed out as the WR would have eaten away at my wins

I am not harping I was stating a Fact that I don't take a bonus even when I open a New account

so they ate truffles big deal they didn't have to pay for it they was doin it at the casino's exspense gee when I worked oppps I haven't worked in 28 yrs so it was called a buisness exspense tax right off what ever

You have a great day cause I know I will I don't worry bout others style of play just my own

Cindy

[GGW Laurie]

your post just reeks of contempt or hate either 1 you hate the fact that some people win an win with their own style of play I have winning screen shots in the screenshot 2 from the same day an they aint for peeny's either but they are not for 1000's either but damn I made heck of a wage at those 2casino's for 4 hrs playing time

if I would have taken a bonus I do not think I would have cashed out as the WR would have eaten away at my wins

I am not harping I was stating a Fact that I don't take a bonus even when I open a New account

so they ate truffles big deal they didn't have to pay for it they was doin it at the casino's exspense gee when I worked oppps I haven't worked in 28 yrs so it was called a buisness exspence tax right off what ever

You have a great day cause I know I will I don't worry bout others style of play just my own
Cindy

this is true cindy, we all have our own style of playing, some do well on bonuses, while some dont, if it was a 10X no max cashout bonus, id love it it is easier to complete the w/r imo, but these ones with 20 or 30 or even 50 x's , well they spell nightmare for me, as for a free chip, to me thats a chance to recoup maybe a fraction of money that i may have lost or atleast have some free playing time, like i said, everyone is different, if we all had the answer on how to win, the casino's would be out of bizz........laurie