Perspectives Weekly Webcast 09/05/08

[Auditor]

Why was Party Gaming named in a US Lawsuit this week? What's the deal with Bodog? Where are we with Gambling Wages? All the answers and online gambling news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIWQ7Vdknz0

[suzecat]

Hello APCW and welcome back to the forum...................just listened to the webcast and I have a question about Gambling Wages. You sorta started to link GW with Warren Cloud, but didn't really cement them together.........and I went back and listened to that part again and......nope, it still sounds vague. Now you are a stand up guy as far as I've seen, so could you please give the issue a final yea or nay? FWIW, I am a player, not an affiliate, so I can't zoom over to APCW and take up your GW challenge.

[bb28]

I also watched the video.......and I have a comment in regards to your challenge.
If I understand the challenge correctly you are offering to take one player and one webmaster to the Gambling Wages location/office, to iron out whatever issue(s) they may have.
Pardon me......but two people's issues fixed out of thousands of unresolved issues is not impressive in the least. Oh and do you really think that just because no one has taken you up on the offer so far is indicative that everything is hunky dory and no one cares? This group screwed players for years.......fixing two people's issues does not erase the history. That gesture would mean absolutely nothing IMO.

[jetset]

Flying two people to Costa Rica and showing them over a sanitised backend would not be difficult or expensive to do, and throwing in some time with a few well rehearsed managers over some entertainment would probably be involved too. It's an old damage control tactic that is unlikely to be taken seriously - it was most recently tried by UltimateBet when they flew Nat Arem down there.

Virtual would be better served by proving by performance going forward that it has really had a change of heart and gives players a fair deal - it will take longer, but that is the most effective solution to its reputation problems imo.

But if it really came to selecting a player representative and a webmaster, I would think that the most credibility would be achieved by hosting cynical but knowledgeable hardasses like VWM and Lots0 (and that's a compliment, not an insult, guys LOL!!!) for the job.

[swampwitch]

So GW is offering to send one player and one webmaster to Costa Rica to meet with GW management and iron out their personal issues.

Wow. I'm underwhelmed.

Hundreds of people are shafted by this clip joint(s), and they're going to wine and dine and shmooze two people into becoming spokesmodels for their "new leaf". If both of these sad sacks are male, betcha money part of this big old reconciliation will include a trip to an exclusive "gentlemen's club". Nothing like a lapful of tiny livestock wrangler to take the sting out of theft and corruption.

Jtodd wonders why no one will take up the offer...two reasons. One, the offer is a very silly and transparent drop in the bucket. Two, we've been down this road before, and it's always been a dead end.

Gambling Wages...stop the cutesy crap. You have the records of the people who are owed legitimately....now PAY THE PEOPLE.

[lots0]

Originally Posted by jetset

But if it really came to selecting a player representative and a webmaster, I would think that the most credibility would be achieved by hosting cynical but knowledgeable hardasses like VWM and Lots0 (and that's a compliment, not an insult, guys LOL!!!) for the job.

Thanks Jetset, I do take your comment as a complement.

However, I have never been involved with Gambling Wages in any way shape or form and I would like to keep it that way.

My only comment about GW and the APCW making this public attempt to "clean up" Gambling Wages image...

A bad reputation is a very hard thing to lose.
I think the Owners/Investors in GW would have been better served by paying their debts and then dumping the GW brand and starting over with a new brand.

It also appears that the APCW is taking an unusual interest in clearing Gambling Wages name.
I know J. Todd has stated the APCW is not getting paid extra for this interest and I have no reason to doubt his word. However, to the casual observer, it may appear that the APCW is more than just an impartial observer...

My .02 cents.

[Auditor]

Originally Posted by bb28

I also watched the video.......and I have a comment in regards to your challenge.
If I understand the challenge correctly you are offering to take one player and one webmaster to the Gambling Wages location/office, to iron out whatever issue(s) they may have.
Pardon me......but two people's issues fixed out of thousands of unresolved issues is not impressive in the least. Oh and do you really think that just because no one has taken you up on the offer so far is indicative that everything is hunky dory and no one cares? This group screwed players for years.......fixing two people's issues does not erase the history. That gesture would mean absolutely nothing IMO.

We are not only working to resolve issues for only two people. If ANYONE has a issue with GW player or webmaster, we want to help. GW is wanting to work on issues, and we want to get players their money. Go to www.apcwinteractive.org and all issues will be addressed. We have already recovered money for players and we will continue to work with GW as long as they are working to make things right. This is no excuse for the past. We are just trying to help, now.

[mojo]

Originally Posted by Auditor

We are not only working to resolve issues for only two people. If ANYONE has a issue with GW player or webmaster, we want to help. GW is wanting to work on issues, and we want to get players their money. Go to www.apcwinteractive.org and all issues will be addressed. We have already recovered money for players and we will continue to work with GW as long as they are working to make things right. This is no excuse for the past. We are just trying to help, now.

I respect that and thank you. What I would like to know is how two people could possibly respresent the majority. It would take a fact finding mission that could very well be a bit involved and time consuming on the part of the two chosen people. Two well meaning folks (affiliate/player) could not possibly be expected to represent the numerous issues effectively. They would surely 'miss something' and the burden would be somewhat cumbersome for them don't you think?

The only way GW will put the past behind them and go forward is to just do the right thing henceforth. Simple really. They have been around a long time. I'm rooting for them. With such a history, there really is no magical remedy, simply time will tell.

All the best,

Mojo

[suzecat]

Originally Posted by mojo

I respect that and thank you. What I would like to know is how two people could possibly respresent the majority. It would take a fact finding mission that could very well be a bit involved and time consuming on the part of the two chosen people. Two well meaning folks (affiliate/player) could not possibly be expected to represent the numerous issues effectively. They would surely 'miss something' and the burden would be somewhat cumbersome for them don't you think?

The only way GW will put the past behind them and go forward is to just do the right thing henceforth. Simple really. They have been around a long time. I'm rooting for them. With such a history, there really is no magical remedy, simply time will tell.

All the best,

Mojo

OK, so you are kidding, right? So if they say sorry about that to the people they owe, and promise not to do it again, then it's business as usual? Oh boy.....it's fiesta time in Costa Rica

[mojo]

Originally Posted by suzecat

OK, so you are kidding, right? So if they say sorry about that to the people they owe, and promise not to do it again, then it's business as usual? Oh boy.....it's fiesta time in Costa Rica

Sorry suzecat, I don't know what you mean? I didn't say a sorry would do. I said time would tell and doing the 'right thing' would help on the road back. Sometimes my words don't come accross well. Did I not articulate?