I want my �2.1 Million back please Mr Hill...

**Slotster!** · 14th February 2008, 10:21 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7243656.stm

"You let me back in, even though I excluded myself - so I want my losses back"

If this guy wins, it'll set the most alarming precedent the gambling industry has ever seen...

**winbig** · 14th February 2008, 04:36 PM

I'm not sure how this will play out, but here in PA they have it clearly outlined, but under review.

Section 1516(c) of the Act provides that gaming entities or employees are not liable in any judicial proceedings that arise as a result of certain instances that relate only to self-excluded persons. However, this regulatory provision far exceeds the statutory limitations.

http://www.pabulletin.com/secure/dat...37-14/610.html

**GaryWatson** · 14th February 2008, 05:15 PM

Very interesting. He has declared himself unfit to judge his own impulses, the site has accepted. its like a junkie looking for help. All the bonus issues on Casinomaister indicate a lack of interest until it comes to paying out. They get flagged but his would have been obvious. Not many people bet 10k+ on the outcome of an event. I consider Hills negligent. He was a high roller & they were happy to keep him but they accepted his reason of insanity

**jetset** · 14th February 2008, 06:31 PM

How many times have we seen on this forum alone instances where Will Hill CRM has been found inept and/or disorganised, ignoring player emails and the like? Hopefully this issue will focus their minds on a general improvement of that part of their operations.

This guy did exclude himself for the 6 month "cool off" period, and it was accepted by a Will Hill official. Then the guy goes off and opens a new account....but using his own name and details. Will Hill's systems should have picked that one up, and it's an area where I think they may be vulnerable.

This fellow put a huge amount of money through Will Hill so you would assume he would be flagged in some way beside being self-excluded - at one stage he was betting GBP 30K a time, and he lost GBP 300K plus on a golf game bet.

He must have been a red hot greyhound trainer to have amassed that much money to splash around at age 25 (he started in 2005)

I wonder how much he won in those big-spender bets?

**vinylweatherman** · 14th February 2008, 10:55 PM

It doesn't make it clear whether this relates to online, or phone and betting shop action.

When it comes to excluding "bonus abusers", the online industry seems to have an incredibly sophisticated method of looking at SEVERAL "indicators". The result seems to be that the net is cast so wide that many "innocent" gamblers get tangled up with "bonus abuse".

IF this was an online account, or even a phone account under similar terms, then this gambler could have one HELL of a case, but not how he thinks.

IF he had created what seems to be "multiple accounts", then he may well have fallen foul of terms that would have lead to any winnings being confiscated, in which case, ALL bets in the duplicate account are void, and he should receive back his "depost", just as those complainants did in the forum when WillHill online threw them off the online site for "bonus fraud".

His legal team would need to show evidence of what happens to WINNERS who circumvent the systems, INCLUDING "self exclusion". There was one incident on this forum where a player who had opted for self exclusion got back into his casino account several times, but in the end, he WON, and enough to put him back ahead overall. However, at this point, the casino decided to confiscate these winnings after repeatedly letting him LOSE while supposedly self excluded witout taking ANY action, other than offering him more promotional offers.

I doubt the courts will allow the industry to both defend voiding bets when punters win after fooling self exclusion, yet decide that LOSING bets should stand as it was the punter's responsibility to get treatment for his problem and not place any more bets.

Lastly, had this punter consistently WON with these bets, he would have been permanently excluded by WillHill (and long before winning 2Million); the big bookies CAN, and DO operate a tight system when it comes to keeping out those clever punters who consistently beat the bookies.

**GaryWatson** · 14th February 2008, 11:25 PM

Im on the assumption it is phone betting

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

IF he had created what seems to be "multiple accounts", then he may well have fallen foul of terms

he closed it again and this is when he was offered what's known as "self exclusion"

Although the guy had an obvious problem. I dont think he deserves it all back. Im no lawyer but I think in the civil courts he will get a % back or an out of court settlement. He doesnt deserve it all back. with all his inside information I bet he though he was going to get some easy money. In a way it is pure greed & many people will think he got what he deserved.

Yes they would eventually ban him if he won too much but they should also have ensured he stayed blocked when he requested it. I think both parties have to share the blame for this

**winbig** · 15th February 2008, 03:33 AM

I have to agree with the argument being if he were to win, would he have gotten his money? ....probably not.

But, the case being, he shouldn't have been able to place the bet at all, so I think he should get his money back. They told him flat out that he could bet again - in 6 months. Those 6 months hadn't passed, so they shouldn't have taken the bet in the first place.

**Pocketdiggers77** · 15th February 2008, 04:26 AM

This guy is a douche. Gee I might have a problem. I bet $700,000 on a golf tournament. Take your losses like a MAN and move on.

If this were in the US he would win or they would settle out of court. Hell you can blame gambling/murder on your meds and win. I hope the UK's legal system puts this guys where he belongs.

PD

**GaryWatson** · 15th February 2008, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by Pocketdiggers77

If this were in the US he would win or they would settle out of court. Hell you can blame gambling/murder on your meds and win. I hope the UK's legal system puts this guys where he belongs.

PD

I totally agree with that. He is grown up enough to make his own decisions in life & I would hate to see UK going down the road of Suing for everything. It has already started following the US, but in lesser extremes. On the other hand, he still has a case & its a bit of a sticky one. Sounds as if he is in major debt & willing to look a douche to get something back. If he loses, william hills wins, if he wins, Ladbrokes wins, then he loses. It is a shame but I hope reality slapped him in the face and he gets over it

**tristan727** · 16th February 2008, 11:35 PM

For someone who's supposedly been a multi-millionaire greyhound trainer, it's very odd that googling him you can only find one link in the 1st 5 pages, to anything that doesn't relate to this story - apparently one of his dogs came 3rd in a 2006 derby. What's the trainer %fee of a 3rd place in a dog race? �200?

The only clever thing he's doing is tapping into this country's complete lack of moral compass & responsibility - the lefties will gladly take up arms for him as they love the blame culture, and use this to shoot holes in the gambling industry.