Bodog's Domain Names Confiscated

[lots0]

...but maybe the affiliates and watchdogs could have been more pro-active.

How so?

What could Affiliates or watchdogs have done better, in your opinion?

[NASHVEGAS]

Originally Posted by lots0

How so?

What could Affiliates or watchdogs have done better, in your opinion?

I said "maybe" and not sure my opinion is necessarily relevant or has even been given a great deal of thought so feel free to disregard....I will say that at least CM has said time and time again that US players play at their own risk (often and still ignored) specifically pursuant to payments and other issues. I realize this is a warning as far as I know specific to US players only and not specifically to Bodog but a relevant warning nonetheless...Furthermore, since Sept.30,2006 I never for one saw a flashing Bodog banner at the CM site. Other than that, I am not sure CM could do much else....Does the same hold true for some other well known watchdogs, affiliates,etc.(The Wizard of Odds) sites?(re: banner ads-maybe they were only intended for non-US players)...............like I said I really have not given your question enough thought.

[Paddy]

CM can hold its head up high.

Not so Major Wager, EOG, and Sportsbook Review, where I am banned for saying pretty much the same sort of stuff in this thread.

Major Wager and EOG both run Bodog banners. Still do, even when you'd have to be wilfully blind to believe Bodog has any kind of a future now. SBR continues to rate Bodog as an "A" even though it has been bouncing cheques and takes a month or more to get your money back to you when you request it.

[NASHVEGAS]

Originally Posted by Paddy

CM can hold its head up high.

Not so Major Wager, EOG, and Sportsbook Review, where I am banned for saying pretty much the same sort of stuff in this thread.

Major Wager and EOG both run Bodog banners. Still do, even when you'd have to be wilfully blind to believe Bodog has any kind of a future now. SBR continues to rate Bodog as an "A" even though it has been bouncing cheques and takes a month or more to get your money back to you when you request it.

One of my primary points

[jetset]

Here's another perspective on the Bloc BC article on Calvin Ayre and the troubles Bodog is facing.

http://www.point-spreads.com:80/content/view/1664/2/

Unfortunately, it appears to concentrate more on the author of the Bloc BC article than the Lewis patent issue and does not directly address many of the factual claims made by "Paddy" regarding the impact of the 1st Technologies' case against Bodog.

That would have made an interesting alternative perspective, and "tit-for-tat" exchanges on a personal level are rarely palatable or constructive.

Bodog still seems to be maintaining silence on this issue, which could be a serious error of judgement. Perhaps their lawyers are talking to Dr. Lewis's lawyers - that appears to be one option for settling this issue.

[jetset]

Major Wager, EOG and SBR are pretty highly regarded when it comes to sportsbook information portals, I have to say!

[tennis_balls]

interesting article, jetset.

i searched for those usernames on casinomeister and we appear to have a match!

username "mortey" started a couple of Bodog threads here a year ago before getting banned.

[Simmo!]

My take:

Bodog will not just disappear because of a lawsuit, even if it was for $30 squidrillion. You don't get to their status without being smart. I'm sure "Newbodog" isn't just a temporary getaround. If a lawsuit closes down a company of that size, it can follow several paths, just one being to declare bankruptcy and start over ( with a new name ). Damaged of course, but not dead.

Clearly that will upset some people, but that's the way it is - every successful company treads on toes and has detractors. If they have infringed a patent like they alledgedly have, I would like to see them quite rightly slapped down for that, but still there, as they are one of the few RTGs who seem to treat their players properly.

Paddy: while your posts are interesting, why on earth would you want to go round all these forums saying the same thing over and over? I don't get that. You say it isn't, but it does come over like you have a grudge.

[lojo]

Originally Posted by Paddy

CM can hold its head up high.

Not so Major Wager, EOG, and Sportsbook Review, where I am banned for saying pretty much the same sort of stuff in this thread.

Major Wager and EOG both run Bodog banners. Still do, even when you'd have to be wilfully blind to believe Bodog has any kind of a future now. SBR continues to rate Bodog as an "A" even though it has been bouncing cheques and takes a month or more to get your money back to you when you request it.

I think you'll notice that it doesn't matter whether a banner flies here or not, if a casino is acting hinky, the Meister will confront the policy in question. And for that, the whole community can stand tall

[Paddy]

Originally Posted by Simmo!

My take:

Bodog will not just disappear because of a lawsuit, even if it was for $30 squidrillion. You don't get to their status without being smart. I'm sure "Newbodog" isn't just a temporary getaround. If a lawsuit closes down a company of that size, it can follow several paths, just one being to declare bankruptcy and start over ( with a new name ). Damaged of course, but not dead.

Clearly that will upset some people, but that's the way it is - every successful company treads on toes and has detractors. If they have infringed a patent like they alledgedly have, I would like to see them quite rightly slapped down for that, but still there, as they are one of the few RTGs who seem to treat their players properly.

Paddy: while your posts are interesting, why on earth would you want to go round all these forums saying the same thing over and over? I don't get that. You say it isn't, but it does come over like you have a grudge.

Simmo,

I think that you are making a risky assumption that Bodog could survive a $30 million, let alone a $30 squidrillion judgment. (That's a lot of squids, LOL.) One of the features of the online gaming industry which suits Calvin Ayre's character to a tee is that you can lie your face off about how many players you have and how much money you make and no one will challenge you. Some, such as your good self, seem to take what he says as the truth. I hope that is a mistake you stop making very soon.

I know Calvin Ayre is a liar. I've known him for over 20 years and our friendship broke up because he was a desperate liar and someone who had no qualms about depriving other people out of their money. He then engineered a despicable attack on some other members of my family because he was afraid to face up to me. There has been some talk about that on some of the forums and the tendency has been to trivialize that aspect of things, but I can assure you that most of the readers here in possession of the true and complete story would completely support what you trivialize as a "grudge". I think most of the readers who want an accurate picture of Calvin Ayre know it is likely to come from someone he has crossed paths with in the past, rather than his own PR department. What you are saying seems to be that the Goldman family, for instance, has a "grudge" against OJ Simpson because they continually hound him.

My own assessment of this is that Bodog was always a grossly overinflated story that had two features, a website, and a promotional campaign centering on Ayre and paid for by post-up money. I think it was coming to an end before this lawsuit. I think the evidence of that is how few people cared when Bodog's website went down, and how few people care now, other than the smarter observers of the industry here and on other forums who see the implications for depositors still trapped in the Bodog Bozo mine.

Let's hope its only a couple of dozen.

For the poster above who puts Paddy in quotes, my real name is Paddy Roberts and I stand 100% behind what I say. No one has ever shown that anything I've ever said about Calvin Ayre and Bodog over the last 18 months has been inaccurate and misleading.

And hardly anyone refers to it as a "grudge" anymore.