Microgaming White Label Issue

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by winbig

Those sites are almost the EXACT format as these spammers are using.

wtf?


and both sites in the signature lead to a download of "The Casino"... wtf is "The Casino"? Also, all of the casinos besides Goldencasino listed on that website link to the same download.


I played the guinea pig, and downloaded the casino setup and installed it. It's not GM/playshare/whatever.. It's just "The Casino", and yes, it's MG.

I have a strong feeling that he just grabbed a phone number from a well known group and stuck it on the pages.

If that's what he did re: phone #, that's even fucking worse. Did it give you the option of opening an acct? I should go dig up my old CasinoUS account number, and try to enter it into one of the flash versions of these casinos, and see what happens.

Originally Posted by winbig

Me too. I'm anxious to see the response in the other thread as to why he can't get home.....if you go on vacation, don't you usually get a round trip ticket?

Look what I found...

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post132623

That's what made me wonder too Winbig. That and the comment about his g/f leaving him? Her parents flew her home, but left him stranded there? And he can't print out a copy of a bill from the internet, or phone his phone/utility company and have them fax a copy to Neteller? And he didn't even seem too thrilled about Simmo's suggestion that he have one of the aff managers vouch for him. I thought that was a brilliant idea...until I looked at his website.

One more thing...the last casino listed on his homepage, the UK one? It's actually a Playtech, bottom right corner, it says powered by Eurogrand? I would hope that Playtech doesn't condone this type of marketing either. I'm going to be bringing that one to Spear's attention.

I also saw that "near spam" post Winbig. Nothing smells right about any of this, and I hate when people think they can come here and play any of us for suckers.

[Pinababy69]

Wow, I didn't even see the links down the right hand side of his "homepage". Half of them are just blank pages, waiting to be filled. One of them, the domain name has actually expired. All of them spammy, cheap sounding domain names...ClubSlotMachine, Vegasdrivecasino, Slotmachine-casino, etc.

Yeah, this guy is a real pro.

[Pinababy69]

I did a little more checking via whois registration and all of the websites are registered through Dynadot.com, which is a US hosting and domain name registration company. It shows their offices as being located on Broadway in New York City. I find it a little odd that someone from Holland would choose to register all their domains through a US based company, and one in New York of all states.

So then I got curious about what Winbig said re: The Casino. I didn't feel like d/l'ing a whole MG, so went to the flash version of LuckyAmericanCasino, and sure enough it allowed me to register an account through there. My account # starts with tfccr...certainly doesn't sound like a Playshare/Gamshare account id. So I went and dug out my old CasinoUS (Vegas Partner Lounge) account #, and sure enough it starts with tccr. Obviously no "f" as it wasn't a flash account, but opened on the d/l version.

I really don't know what to make of this. It sounds like Winbig was maybe right...that this guy is using a d/l that (maybe?) leads to one of the Vegas Partner casinos, but threw up support numbers for Playshare on these websites? I did attempt to login using my old CasinoUS #, but it wouldn't let me, although I'm not positive I had the password right. So SOME casino group has my info now, not that I care about that in the least. What's one more?

I heard back from Mario, who will be looking into it....as will Playshare management, hopefully soon...going on what info that has been shared with me. Maybe Vegas Partner will have to be asked for comment on this as well.

I'm no expert, but I'm smart enough to know that something is way off here.

[goldeninternetc]

Originally Posted by winbig

Those sites are almost the EXACT format as these spammers are using.

wtf?


and both sites in the signature lead to a download of "The Casino"... wtf is "The Casino"? Also, all of the casinos besides Goldencasino listed on that website link to the same download.


I played the guinea pig, and downloaded the casino setup and installed it. It's not GM/playshare/whatever.. It's just "The Casino", and yes, it's MG.

I have a strong feeling that he just grabbed a phone number from a well known group and stuck it on the pages.

Sorry, no such thing. In fact, I have a contract with them. Nothing wrong with that is there?

I do not spam. I just took the offer as it was OFFERED to me.

If you want to know, http://playsharepartners.com is where you will find all the answers. Ask for Chris.

[winbig]

So, who actually owns "The Casino"? And how come it's advertised on your site as other casino names - but yet the same download?

[goldeninternetc]

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

Well, I just got off the phone with Playshare. Lucky American, Club Las Vegas, 365Vegas Casino and the others all had the same support phone # listed. It was answered simply casino support and when I asked which casino it was, was told CasinoShare/Playshare. So all these "masked" pages will d/l as one of the Playshare Group of Casinos ie. CasinoShare, GrandMonaco, etc. They were pretty interested in these "pages", and I'm almost positive that Mario will be as well, and so will the affiliate manager when he gets in on Monday morning.

They've promised to email me tomorrow night once the manager is in, and let me know what they're going to do about this guy. But I have a feeling his problems are going to be bigger than just Neteller.

Why in the hell do cheesy affiliates pull stunts like this? If you want to promote Playshare casinos, then promote them under the proper name. They are a decent group from everything I've read about them....why the need to mislead people and mask what they are actually d/l'ing? Are you also responsible for those Mint Las Vegas mailings?

Pissed off.

no, I have nothing to do with that. I don,t even know what you are talking about. The Playshare partner program invited me to work with them due to the domains I own.

Please people, what is wrong with that.

Why is it that my serious intention here gets mashed to bits ?

I am sorry it went this way.

[goldeninternetc]

Originally Posted by winbig

So, who actually owns "The Casino"? And how come it's advertised on your site as other casino names - but yet the same download?

I was invited to work with playsharepartners.com. They arranged all the sites. I just provide the domains.

[winbig]

Originally Posted by goldeninternetc

I was invited to work with playsharepartners.com. They arranged all the sites. I just provide the domains.

Just sent a PM to Mario. Now maybe we can get the facts.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by winbig

Just sent a PM to Mario. Now maybe we can get the facts.

I already PM'd Mario Winbig. He replied this morning that he would look into it, and get back to me and post in the thread when he had more info.

I have a sick feeling that the OP is exactly right and this was done through Playshare directly, and that they ARE responsible for those mirror sites/skins. I wanted to hear the OP's side of it first, before I said anything more.

If this is what internet gaming is coming down to....a company like Microgaming allowing their licensees to push clones of well known brands, you can count me out of this game, for good. The last software provider that I trusted, and thought was reputable.

Who does this remind you of? Reminds me of Virtual Casino and their hundreds of clone sites, that all lead back to Virtual. After you've downloaded and played, then they tell you "oh sorry, that casino is part of the Virtual Group and you're only allowed one account across the group".

Not to mention they are the cheesiest, cheapest looking sites to be representing an MG casino. If this is the way that business is going to be conducted, I can envision the future only too well. People will have absolutely no clue which casino they are downloading or playing at....not unless they do exhaustive research ahead of time.

Goldeninternet, while I don't approve of your site, if this was indeed done with the approval of Playshare...you have my apologies. It is scummy, it is deceptive advertising and it stinks to high heaven.

I too am very interested to hear what Mario or any other representative of Playshare/Gamshare and/or Microgaming has to say about this.

[Mario]

Originally Posted by winbig

Just sent a PM to Mario. Now maybe we can get the facts.

Hi all,

Hope eveyone is well.

The casinos advertised on Golden Internet.com belongs to our partners, "the Casinos" is our White label Brands which PlayShare is offers a Generic Program enabling Partners and affiliates to Market their own Brands, this would account for the common phone numbers and downloads as we will do all the support and most of the back office stuff.

Yes these casinos do still fall part of the PlayShare group but the brands have requested to be their own entity and thus no mentioning or any branding of Playshare.

We will be investigating in full what has been said in these post with all the relevant parties to find some sort of common ground.

Guys do note that what you have come to expect with the PlayShare Group and the service and gameplay this is what you will get with these Generic or white label brands.

Don't hesitate to contact me with any issues and I'll gladly see what I can do for You.

Best regards
Mario
PlayShare Group Represntative