Microgaming White Label Issue

[NASHVEGAS]

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

You said a mouthful there Nash.

I am a,,,,,,nevermind but thanks for "letting the cat out of the bag" so to speak.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS

Oh yes you are and spot on again. I do not want derail thread but if necessary I can post all kinds of proof regarding your assertions above.

No proof required Nash. I have seen some of the invites/comps you've received. It's part of the reason that I included that point in there.

Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS

I am a,,,,,,nevermind but thanks for "letting the cat out of the bag" so to speak.

Off to Wildcards with you, and you'd best have more than a tenner (as in ten bucks) in your hand when I get there.

Actually, I'm off to play Tomb Raider, Anniversary Edition, Playstation style. My daughter just got it yesterday, and is insisting that I come right now and play.

[just play]

This is going to come out wrong again, but I don't know how to word it...

Pina, when you are done finding out information, what are you going to do with it? I mean what can be done? Has other things like this happened? If so, what was the outcome?

[NASHVEGAS]

Originally Posted by just play

This is going to come out wrong again, but I don't know how to word it...

Pina, when you are done finding out information, what are you going to do with it? I mean what can be done? Has other things like this happened? If so, what was the outcome?

I will briefly respond on my opinion and then defer to the wiser.......I think the facts, truths, ramifications,etc should be exposed for all and then it becomes up to the individual to make its own decision as to whom is zooming whom or what. Other than that nothing changes immediately but evolves over time.....Most will care less just like a smoker for a maybe more extreme example. One still makes their own decision on whether one choses to smoke or not regardless of the possible effects,consequences,etc. but at least the proven cover ups (that were not exposed for many years) by all the tobacco companies of the actual effects,consequences,etc. were eventually fully exposed and thus at a minimum, one could make an informed decision based on the actual facts rather than the brainwashing covering up of facts that went on for years, JMO, not speaking for Pina to whom you addressed the question. SIDENOTE: It has already been mentioned in previous posts of the possible effects this could have on the future of US online gaming and I see no need to rehash and include again in my opinion as it is a creature of a different nature.

[Casinomeister]

I'm just beginning to catch up on this thread.

I noticed that Casino2see (gawd, what a stupid name) removed the other 2-see links. Darn, I was hoping to take someone's temperature

Quality control...hmm. Casino2see is right up there with Connect2casino, Inchilli, Casino1x2, and Joyland Casino as the stupidest named casinos - period.

I noticed the list of Naden casinos that is posted here:
http://list.playsharepartners.com/ no longer includes Cherry casino (from Betson) but still includes Pharaohs and PlayersClub. These two are still Boss Media - not MGS. Perhaps this is an indication of a pending switch of software providers.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by just play

This is going to come out wrong again, but I don't know how to word it...

Pina, when you are done finding out information, what are you going to do with it? I mean what can be done? Has other things like this happened? If so, what was the outcome?

I just spent 20 minutes typing a reply to you, and when I hit post, I guess the forum was down, and lost it all. One of these days I am going to learn to copy before I hit that post button.

It didn't come out wrong at all JP.

Has stuff like this happened before? Two different situations come to mind off the top of my head. One was an incident involving English Harbour Casino, and what many came to believe was cheating software. There was no dispute that the software was unfair. The majority of debate that went on was whether or not it was intentional on the part of the casino ie. deliberately cheating. Or...as they claimed, it was an error on the part of a programmer. It was one of the most viewed and discussed threads here at CM. I pretty much stayed out of that one, as I have zero technical knowledge and generally find that it's better to not comment if you don't fully understand something.

Situation two involved Jackpot Factory and their "Inspirational Stories". It related to a really sleazy marketing campaign employed by Jackpot Factory, where they basically saturated the internet with stories of how playing slots could cure depression, financial woes, thoughts of suicide, marital discord, arthritis...and so on, ad nauseum. These pages were filled with keywords that specifically targetted search engines, in an effort to gain higher rankings. It was the only time that I can remember the ENTIRE playing community uniting behind having it stopped, and a suitable "punishment" being imposed. If you ever have about two hours to kill, the thread makes an excellent read. But be prepared, it's about sixty or more pages long I think. I got very involved in that one, and spent countless hours searching the web, emailing, etc. I like to think that I helped make a difference, as did so many others.

Why do I do this and what do I hope to accomplish? I do it because it offends my sense of right and wrong. The only thing I hope to accomplish is to get to the truth (eventually) and post the facts, so that the average player can at least make an informed decision when choosing which casino to donate their money to. I am a realist, and as such, I'd guess that 95% of the player community could really care less about issues such as this (a poll may be interesting). Their main concern is are they going to get paid if they win. They don't care what goes on behind the scenes, or what marketing tactics a company uses to gain players. I spend my time digging mostly for the other 5% who do care about this stuff, but maybe who don't have the time to do it themselves.

In the end, does it really make a difference? Again, realistically, probably not. But maybe I can be a small thorn in their side for a short period of time. And if by doing that, it makes them uncomfortable enough to implement some change...I'd be ecstatic. A high profile forum such as this gets read by so many in this industry. Just because you don't see them at the bottom of the board, doesn't mean they aren't there. You'd be surprised. And I seriously doubt that they enjoy seeing their names and companies dragged through the mud.

It takes alot to get me this involved. But this one pushed all the right (or wrong) buttons. I don't like deceit and I don't like whitewash. And I especially don't like casino representatives who think they can play any of us for fools. One day they will realize that we pay their salaries, and without us, they would all be out of jobs.

I will shut up (for now anyway). I can hear the cries of "about bloody time" from here, lol.

[just play]

Thank you Pina, that was a perfect post...I now understand it better. I am one of those people who think one person can't make a difference, but I am beginning to think that is wrong, and one or a few people CAN make a difference.

I really appreciate you taking the time to answer me.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by just play

Thank you Pina, that was a perfect post...I now understand it better. I am one of those people who think one person can't make a difference, but I am beginning to think that is wrong, and one or a few people CAN make a difference.

I really appreciate you taking the time to answer me.

No problem at all. My original post was a little more in depth than that one, but you get the point. I am not always the most pleasant person, and I know that...but if you EVER have a question about anything, feel free to ask it on the forum, or PM me if you like. If I can answer it I will. If I can't, I can probably find the answer for you. How else can you learn about this industry? IMO, there is no such thing as a stupid question.

When I started playing online 5 or 6 years ago..I knew nothing. I thought that Virtual was cool for always having all those free coupons, lol. The only way I learned was by making mistakes, and by being a pushy bitch who never knows when to shut up.

[jetset]

Originally Posted by just play

This is going to come out wrong again, but I don't know how to word it...

Pina, when you are done finding out information, what are you going to do with it? I mean what can be done? Has other things like this happened? If so, what was the outcome?

I believe that a number of elements go into the question "does publicising issues on a message board make a difference?"

First off, I definitely do believe that a forum - and particularly a widely read one like Casinomeister - can make real improvements by flagging issues and bringing about change.

I've seen proof of this frequently on the many and varied issues that have appeared here over the years, and a recent survey showed that up to 40 percent of online gamblers visit message boards for information. So the medium has reach, for sure.

There are also guys on a forum like this who are either casino reps or folks like the Meister who have wide industry contacts built up over time, and can draw their attention to matters arising here and press the issue further.

Generally speaking, I think the more reputable the company the more likely it is that something positive will happen, in many cases behind the scenes, because successful companies don't like to see their rep and future goodwill dissipated.

Sometimes these issues are not created by dishonesty and malice aforethought, but by silly mistakes that even major companies make through inadequate thought or research on a venture. Major companies or not - they're still run by people, and as we all know, people screw up occasionally.

Less reputable companies can be forced into addressing issues by the weight of public opinion and the knowledge that if enough players start blacklisting them their business will definitely suffer. And a forum is a great way of spreading the word about crappy companies.

There are inevitably those bum outfits who continue to survive by constantly attracting new and uninformed gamblers whom they can screw. Virtual comes to mind LOL!

And even software providers who are lax in their choice and monitoring of licensees are consequently smeared with the same mud. I often wonder whether these scummy operators ever ask themselves how much bigger their businesses could be if they had a good rep in addition to the flow of new and largely ignorant blood.

So, yes - I firmly believe that balanced and diverse message boards like this one are good for the industry and can effect change. And they are clearly good for the player as a source of information and the protection that knowledge brings in a largely unregulated industry that has few boundaries.

Long may it remain so.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

I noticed that Casino2see (gawd, what a stupid name) removed the other 2-see links.

Yep, the hard-core porno links are gone. However, the 24h support girl is still in a prone position, and ready for her next "hot sex talk" phone call. Very reminiscent of the late night phone sex tv ads for the 900 number companies. I guess if someone were at the Playboy Gaming website, this would be common fare (just guessing here), and IMO perfectly fine. However, I didn't know that this was the "image" that MG wanted to portray. I always thought that when I call a 24 hr casino support number, I'm actually gonna talk to a casino support person rather than a phone sex operator. Silly me.