Microgaming White Label Issue

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

So busted? You're not alone Nash.

Now, could someone explain to me again how white labels are a good thing? And how in this particular instance Playshare was thinking only of the player? Player comes first right?

Looks like a peddler of "adult content" decided the mix was incomplete without a casino. From the casino site, nothing looks amiss until the link is clicked. There is nothing to link this site with Playshare except this discussion. Being the internet, this is likely to be "hard porn", rather than the kind associated with Playboy. How "hard" is anyone's guess, but at least it seems to remain at adult level, unlike the lack of restraint shown by other filth peddlers on the internet.
Such connected marketing, even if not intended, will only damage the reputation of the brands involved. The damage will be amplified if such issues get into the hands of the regulatory bodies, such as the new UK Gaming commission. They may wreck any chance of convincing the USA that online gambling should be regulated, and not banned, they thought it morally corrupt WITHOUT the porn, what now!!

[NASHVEGAS]

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

Looks like a peddler of "adult content" decided the mix was incomplete without a casino. From the casino site, nothing looks amiss until the link is clicked. There is nothing to link this site with Playshare except this discussion. Being the internet, this is likely to be "hard porn", rather than the kind associated with Playboy. How "hard" is anyone's guess, but at least it seems to remain at adult level, unlike the lack of restraint shown by other filth peddlers on the internet.
Such connected marketing, even if not intended, will only damage the reputation of the brands involved. The damage will be amplified if such issues get into the hands of the regulatory bodies, such as the new UK Gaming commission. They may wreck any chance of convincing the USA that online gambling should be regulated, and not banned, they thought it morally corrupt WITHOUT the porn, what now!!

I dunno VWM, AFF is an accredited porn site, I even once got 5 scatters.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

Looks like a peddler of "adult content" decided the mix was incomplete without a casino.

I agree VWM. He was obviously one of the partners who was vigorously checked out and pre-screened, prior to allowing him to market the (formerly) reputable MG software. Or hey, maybe someone referred him and collected a nifty 3K for doing so.

[Mousey]

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

I agree VWM. He was obviously one of the partners who was vigorously checked out and pre-screened, prior to allowing him to market the (formerly) reputable MG software. Or hey, maybe someone referred him and collected a nifty 3K for doing so.

Great... just great... like Frist and the other sanctimonious dunderheads need more ammo against online gambling....

Thanks for all this research Pina. Opening my eyes and making me want to all at the same time....

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

Will these clones fall under the Playshare umbrella as pertains to eCOGRA? Or will they be left to fend for themselves? And if eCOGRA choose not to be involved in each of these "separate" operations (and I wouldn't blame them)...who will be responsible for resolving problems? Casinomeister? The top dogs at eCOGRA must be sweating bullets right now. What a potential PR nightmare, especially given their efforts in the last year to branch out and try to get in touch more with the gaming community.

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

You can bet that eCOGRA will be getting copies of all this tomorrow Playshare.

Originally Posted by mrracetrack

I wonder if these "porn sites" are e-Cogra approved?

After all... these casinos are... [/b]

Well, this is three times now I've had to say shame on me. And Track, you also receive one demerit point.

Why the shame? Because I "assumed" something and that is a big no-no. Given my sleuthing skills, the one thing I hadn't checked out was whether or not the Playshare Group of Casinos (CasinoShare, GrandMonaco, PokerShare, etc), actually did have eCOGRA certification. They DO NOT.

They do participate in the payout percentage verification service that eCOGRA offers, but this is a totally separate entity and has NOTHING to do with certification.

They are not listed under eCOGRA's list of certified casinos, and it has been verified with Andrew Beveridge directly, that they do not hold an eCOGRA seal of approval. In a way, it is almost too bad...because at least with eCOGRA, there was an avenue to pursue in regards to rectifying the problem(s).

Last year when the Jackpot Factory scandal was brewing, Andrew was very receptive to any and all feedback, from myself and others. I think he tries to practice an open door policy and that is a good thing, IMO. As it stands now, Microgaming's silence on this whole affair is deafening.

So, consider this an official apology to eCOGRA, for any references made by myself in this thread. I posted without checking my facts. Lesson learned.

[NASHVEGAS]

Originally Posted by Mousey

Great... just great... like Frist and the other sanctimonious dunderheads need more ammo against online gambling....

Thanks for all this research Pina. Opening my eyes and making me want to all at the same time....

Spot on again Mousey, as the ramifications are a goldmine for both donkeys and elephants. It is not like Thompson(who has not even announced he is running for President but is very high and actually leads in some polls) is not extremely close to Frist as they both served as TN's senators at the same time,continue to run in the same social circle, and actually lived at one time within minutes of each other for years in Nashvegas. I will try to get Thompson's take on this asap.......As for the donkeys, our only hope is Bill and Ms. Clinton as I would bet "porn" along with "find a f..k buddy" sites mixed with online gambling casino sites is not personally a big deal. Now, Tipper that is another story.......If the player watchdog sites advocate (what Pina et al have factually posted in regards to these W/L's) and continue to rationalize and justify in any form whatsoever, I bet(NPI) the government's witchhunt will not cease anytime soon. Furthermore,this issue of W/L's will probably put an US affiliate in the slammer as an scare tactic to further the US gov's political agenda and Microgaming exec.'s will not be seen in the US. The online addicts and others can play on(as Lojo would say) but personally I am done until there is at least some form(s) of real accountabilty,transparency, and regulation. I want to see actions not meaningless words,promises or even opinions. I am the player damnit who financially supports those spitting out all these meaningless(imo) words,etc.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by NASHVEGAS

I am the player damnit who financially supports those spitting out all these meaningless(imo) words,etc.

You said a mouthful there Nash. The player should be the only consideration. I don't frequent B&M casinos myself, but from everything I have read over the years, the general consensus seems to be that they really know how to cater to their players, big and small. Room comps, food, drinks, shows, complimentary betting vouchers, etc. And yet, they still manage to make buckets full of money, with what I assume is a much higher overhead to maintain than an online casino. It makes no sense to me, but then I'm not a financial wizard, or business major. But I think it is why an operation like 32Red is so successful...because they DO cater to the player and offer incentives and comps more in keeping with B&M's. That and the "personal" touch.

Further to the post about Casino2See, it was brought to my attention that I had overlooked something, lol. Right on the very homepage of the casino itself. The support girl is naked, or at least the implication is there. Unbelievable. I don't personally find it offensive, but it is hardly in keeping with the image that a truly professional operation would want to convey. More in line with phone sex, than online casinos. Unless all those support people I have talked to over the years have been having one mass orgy all this time. Maybe that explains their disinterest in real problems.

[mrracetrack]

What happened to Mario?

I thought for sure he would have some comments to make about all of this...

Maybe that "cat that got out of the bag"... has got Mario's tongue...

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by mrracetrack

What happened to Mario?

I thought for sure he would have some comments to make about all of this...

Maybe that "cat that got out of the bag"... has got Mario's tongue...

LOL....

Maybe he is doing his daily rounds of all their clone sites? You know, quality control checks.

[NASHVEGAS]

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

You said a mouthful there Nash. The player should be the only consideration. I don't frequent B&M casinos myself, but from everything I have read over the years, the general consensus seems to be that they really know how to cater to their players, big and small. Room comps, food, drinks, shows, complimentary betting vouchers, etc. And yet, they still manage to make buckets full of money, with what I assume is a much higher overhead to maintain than an online casino. It makes no sense to me, but then I'm not a financial wizard,

Oh yes you are and spot on again. I do not want derail thread but if necessary I can post all kinds of proof regarding your assertions above.