When I'm wrong I'll admit it!!!

[Trezz]

Hi all,

To bring everyone up to speed on this...

When I discovered that CM was promoting Playboygaming.com on site I was disappointed. I've always held the strong belief that porn (soft or otherwise) should not be part of online casino's.

I did however feel that if I raised this topic here I would be set upon by the zealots of this forum. Hence I chose to gain some feed back over at the GPWA.

Due to confidentiality I'm unable to post or directly comment on extracts I posted to the Private member area(s) of the GPWA. However I will state here that I started a thread about my disapproval of CM promoting the Playboy Brand.

To cut a long story short, I was very vocal about my views, not in a disparaging manner, but one based on how see CM and the role taken over the years as a watchdog site.

Today it was posted that CasinoCity, the company that owns the GPWA in fact is also promoting the Playboy Brand.

Apart from feeling like a total idiot...I have been left with no other alternative BUT to hand in my private membership to the GPWA.

The stand I took against CM for promoting the Playboy Brand, is still something I wont back down on. IMHO casino's and porn shouldn't be connected.

In regard to my Private membership at the GPWA, it would be unfair and it would certainly be unjust if I was to still hold membership, given the outcome I've learnt today.

I wont be part of an organisation that is happy to obviously be content to sit on the side lines and allow a member to post a thread about another webmaster (CM) whilst knowing full well that they are also doing the same thing, and not disclosing this in full.

The GPWA with its new seal states that no site will be approved for the SEAL if they are: (take from xxxhttp://certify.gpwa.org/verify/slotsgallery.co.uk/ )

The Seal of Approval linked to this page signifies that the operator of the site is a current GPWA member in good standing who has agreed to abide by strict criteria designed to ensure that the highest ethical standards are upheld at all times and in all situations.
An investigative team headed by GPWA's Fair Gaming Advocate has determined that this site:
Is managed independently of the online gambling websites it provides information about or promotes.
Respects and upholds copyright standards.
Does not send spam email.
Does not use malicious search engine optimization techniques such as posting spam-like comments in forums and interactive blogs.
Does not promote or display pornography.
Provides consumers with information extending beyond banner advertisements and links.
Acts professionally and respectfully in its business activities.


However, the above seal also resides on the front page of xxxhttp://online.casinocity.com/

Which is clearly not in accordance with the above seal charter.

One of the rules of Private membership states that a webmaster can not be connected to or promote pornography whilst holiding private membership to the GPWA.

Rules are rules & a charter set out for one is a charter and rules set out for all.

If these are (and it clearly is here) to be overlooked for some then it makes not only my posted thread a BIG joke, but, anything said a farce.

Hopefully those reading this thread will understand why I've chosen to post here, and why I've chose to hand in my Private membership of the GPWA.


Regards

Dave (Trezz)
GPWA - AussieDave


PS For those of you who feel the need to trash me go right ahead, to say I wont feel disappointed is not true, I will. But, if you feel the need to do so, that's your prerogative. Mine is to know the knowledge that I can hold my head high in the fact that I hold no alliances, I'll state it it as I see it and will state so in a public forum for all to see.

[hunterduke]

ive personally never been to the playboy casino so i have no idea how graphic it is. but my motto is..live and let live
since i live in the "live free or die state" i guess that reflects my attitude on personal choice. if what other people choose doesnt effect me why should i care? i care as much as if they are gay..straight or both...zilch
it simply does not effect my life in any way.
i do respect your freedom to voice your displeasure as much as you want though
but i think your issue can be easily solved
just dont go to casinos that offend your own personal values

id never go to the drown a puppy casino myself

hunter

[Da_Gambla]

Being completely comfortable as a human being, I have no problem with human sexuality. It's been proven a zillion times over that one's sexual outlook and health affects one's outlook on life in general, and maybe judging by Hef, one's longevity as well.

Are they actually mixing Porn with gambling, or just nudity? You are clearly willng to lump nudity into the definition of Porn, but that's not reasonable for the vast majority of civilized thinking. No offense, but someone that offended by simple human nudity might want to maybe seek some professional help.

Lastly, Playboy is a brand. A very successful, as well as international brand. Will probably be an interstellar brand in a few thousand years. Any sound business person would be a complete idiot not to promote a brand that is so able to maintain dignity whle offering a valid product line.

Nudity is not a bad thing. Sometimes I even shower without clothes.

- Keith

[lojo]

I have to respect you making a sacrifice for what you believe in, Trezz. However, I'm of the mind that there should be alot more 'excitement' in some games. Especially online it is an adult business, this gambling thing. (Sure in a B&M a kid could walk by a machine)

Adults get to make their own choices as long as they don't infringe upon another's dignity, liberty, or property (the only definition of 'crime' that I accept) or at least they should be able to if they don't live in a draconian, puritanical, victorian, or talibanistic society.

Kudos for standing up for what you believe in, whether I agree or not. But the choice is yours to not enjoy a little mammory with your chips, and it ain't nunya bidness if I do, I'm sure you'd agree.

Being a yank I can't play there, but I always keep a box of tissue next to my 'puter anyway, cuz I tend to cry when I lose.

[dominique]

I have never seen the casino, but as far as the magazine goes, I don't consider it porn.

Personally, I can do without looking at nude women. But if someone wants to, it's none of my business.

I would kinda consider it distracting if I was to play a game which one wants to play with good strategy, like BJ.

Like I said, I have never seen it, but I doubt it's real porn. Everyone has a choice, go there or don't.

[casinobonusguy]

Tell the truth Dominique ,you are waiting for Playgirl Casino to launch LOL

[jetset]

Matter of personal choice imo.

If you feel it's pornographic and offensive to you then you're right to stand by your principles and have no truck with it, Dave. But does the same apply to your membership here?

FTR I don't personally think it's a good idea for online gambling to be associated with real porn and I therefore think the general GPWA rule is not misplaced.

Taking a quick look at the (Playboy Gaming) site I don't find it pornographic and I doubt that the authorities in Australia or most other Western countries would regard it to be so, but that's a subjective opinion.

Clearly CM and GPWA feel the same way, or they wouldn't accept it.

I'm missing something here, though - other than making your personal stand public what was the point of posting here about your GPWA resignation? Was it to vindicate your criticism of Casinomeister at the GPWA?

[BBKPoker]

Dictionary.com defines pornography thusly:

"obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, esp. those having little or no artistic merit."

I certainly think Playboy magazines do not fall under that category, unless you think the human body is obscene, that is (I don't).

[Casinomeister]

Hi Trezz,

Sorry, but this is idiotic. If you feel that "Playboy Magazine" is porn that's your prerogative, but simply it's not. By most definitions, pornography is obscene with graphic displays of sexual insertions and body fluid. Playboy magazine has none of this. The only thing you're going to see uncovered are boobs, butts, and on occasion pubes. Playboy Casino by the way is only connected by the brand - there are no nudies there. As for articles, Playboy magazine is about as obscene as Cosmo.

When is the last time you've been to an art museum? Nudes are common in sculpture and paintings for the past several hundred years. Do you find this obscene?

Have you been to Europe? At most beaches, tops are optional for women, and there are many nude beaches as well. Soap commercials on television commonly show women in the bath unclothed. Is this obscene?

When Playboy casino was launched, pornography never crossed my mind since Playboy is not porno. It's a huge brand powered by crypto that is backed by a very respected and well funded public company that has been around for over fifty years. That is my concern - safety and security of the player.

[suzecat]

Playboy magazine is not porn, IMHO. Debbie Does Dallas..........well that's another story!