I have blacklisted Clubdice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos and CDpoker

**dominique** · 11th August 2006, 06:57 PM

Well, this has been along time coming, I have finally rogued Cpays.

Specifically these casinos : Clubdice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos and CDpoker.

If you think 888 had unethical merketing methods, these casinos are the kings of all spammers.

They also hold open contests for it, last one had 500,000 entries - all spam spam spam.

Like this:

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This won a prize!!!! How do you like finding nothing but this crap when you look for a BJ strategy or something at google or one of the engines?

Unbelievable that this won a prize!!!!

And they just launched another contest, so brace yourself for another 500,000 plus entries like that in your search results.

I am rogueing these casinos and all odf CasinoPays, and if you have a website and make a page telling about why these casinos are blacklisted, I will link to you and so will many other sites.

We have just gotten started here:

Clubdice ,Carnival, New York and USA Casinos and CDpoker are blacklisted and rogue - GamesandCasino.com

**sneakattack** · 11th August 2006, 11:12 PM

Is this banning purely for spamming and unethical advertising practinces.

**The Watchdog** · 12th August 2006, 07:23 AM

**dominique** · 12th August 2006, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by sneakattack

Is this banning purely for spamming and unethical advertising practinces.

Yes, that is the straw that broke the camel's back, but if you do a search you will find a lot of reasons why this group needed to be looked at more closely.

**jetset** · 12th August 2006, 09:02 AM

Looks like a good story, Dom - do you hve any details on these spamming contests they are holding - is this like the Brandy Casino episode a while back?

**lots0** · 12th August 2006, 06:11 PM

Before I join in...

What are the goals of blacklisting Cpays? What do you hope to get Cpays to do by blacklisting them?

I entered into the banning of 888 along with you and others, but there were no goals set in the beginning and IMO the effort fell apart when everyone wanted to go their own way after an initial success.

I still have 888 Blacklisted, Dom you and others do not. I will keep 888 Blacklisted until ALL the management involved with the spamming is gone from 888 or they go out of business, which ever comes first.

So again, my question, what do you hope to accomplish by this action?

Do you just want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and then you'll lift your blacklist? Or do you want to see something more substantial as an out come from this Blacklisting effort?

**dominique** · 12th August 2006, 07:19 PM

It is 500,000 times worse. That is the number of entries they got last time. Since there are not anwywhere near that many webmasters that could and would take part in a contest like that, we can assume that there are hundreds of thousands of duplicate entries generated by black hat searchengine spamming software.

Last time a number of their winning entries had to be disqualified because they were duplicates.

See here:

SEO CONTEST- Terms English

Note how many of the entries have disappeared. Which legitimate webmaster would abandon a website that the searchengines rank so highly? Nobody. These are all spam sites, scrapers, blogspamming, message board spamming, whatever they can do. They even spammed the Forbes blog and got a prize for it and the webmaster who did it posted on CAP that he got a contract to run websites for them because of it.

Here is the new contest:

CPayscom SEO Contest - New SEO Competition

**dominique** · 12th August 2006, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by lots0

Before I join in...

What are the goals of blacklisting Cpays? What do you hope to get Cpays to do by blacklisting them?

I entered into the banning of 888 along with you and others, but there were no goals set in the beginning and IMO the effort fell apart when everyone wanted to go their own way after an initial success.

I still have 888 Blacklisted, Dom you and others do not. I will keep 888 Blacklisted until ALL the management involved with the spamming is gone from 888 or they go out of business, which ever comes first.

So again, my question, what do you hope to accomplish by this action?

Do you just want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and then you'll lift your blacklist? Or do you want to see something more substantial as an out come from this Blacklisting effort?

I have 888 on probation. That means I do not recommend people play there and all clicks on 888 properties are linked to a page explaining what happened and linking to all pages that blacklisted them. That way players can get the full story before playing there. I put 888 on probation because they have been cooperative in removing all the spam pointed out to them. They are however not approved because there is still plenty of spam out there and they are not proactive about it.

With Casino Pays I hope to stop the flood of 500,000 more search engine spams, and I hope that Casino Pays will adopt google guide lines as part of qualifying measures this time. I hope that Casino Pays will respond to complaints by removing the offending webmaster and not delete one site when each of these webmasters have tens if not hundreds of thousands of them.

And finally I hope they will be proactive about it.

The only way this kind of spamming will stop soon, is if no one pays the spammers.

I hope that in our industry, we can achieve that.

**lots0** · 12th August 2006, 08:03 PM

Ok, so I get this straight.

You want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and become more ‘proactive’ in removing spamming affiliates. So in other words after the SEO contest ends the blacklisting will end?

If this is the case, I don’t know Dom, I don’t know if it is worth it or not.

The 888 thing cost me, I am still targeted by the spammers from 888 and they are still stealing money from me and trying to destroy my rankings.

If I am going to blacklist Cpays I want some real solid goals set before hand.

If you want to set a goal of getting the Cpays management replaced, well then I’m all with you. But if all you want is just to have them stop the SEO contests... I don’t know if it is worth my time and effort, because the Cpays management will just think of some other slimy thing to do in a week or two and we will right back in the same place.

I don’t blame the dumbass wanna be blackhat webmasters, in my opinion the direct responsibility for this crap is Cpays Management, they need to be replaced or removed, they are the problem.

Originally Posted by sneakattack

Is this banning purely for spamming and unethical advertising practinces.

Every time I have looked into an affiliate program that was allowing or promoting spamming and theft by some affiliates from other affiliates, I have seen the same programs rip-off customers, every time.

Low life scum are low life scum, if they will steal from one person, they will steal from you, you can lay odds on it.

>>>>Added
BTW Dom, if you and I worked together we could win the SEO contest and split the cash... I am just joking... but you know we could... and we would not even have to go BH to do it...

**dominique** · 12th August 2006, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by lots0

Ok, so I get this straight.

You want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and become more �proactive� in removing spamming affiliates. So in other words after the SEO contest ends the blacklisting will end?

If this is the case, I don�t know Dom, I don�t know if it is worth it or not.

The 888 thing cost me, I am still targeted by the spammers from 888 and they are still stealing money from me and trying to destroy my rankings.

If I am going to blacklist Cpays I want some real solid goals set before hand.

If you want to set a goal of getting the Cpays management replaced, well then I�m all with you. But if all you want is just to have them stop the SEO contests... I don�t know if it is worth my time and effort, because the Cpays management will just think of some other slimy thing to do in a week or two and we will right back in the same place.

I don�t blame the dumbass wanna be blackhat webmasters, in my opinion the direct responsibility for this crap is Cpays Management, they need to be replaced or removed, they are the problem.

Every time I have looked into an affiliate program that was allowing or promoting spamming and theft by some affiliates from other affiliates, I have seen the same programs rip-off customers, every time.

Low life scum are low life scum, if they will steal from one person, they will steal from you, you
can lay odds on it.

I don't necessarily want CPays to stop the contest, I want them to include the google guidelines as qualifying terms. That way the contest would be non spamming and in compliance with google's rules, which pretty clearly encourage ethical marketing and quality information.

Yes, being targeted by black hatters is not fun, I know all about that.

Getting management replaced is probably not going to happen, I try to set reasonable goals that can be met and will reduce spam.

So I think here the goals are to conduct a legitimate contest (and avoid another 500,000 spam entries), to clean up when there are founded complaints, and to proactively remove spam.

I think this can be obtained and will improve the image of this industry.

Ultimately it is google who will have to help here, and I just hope that some day they will allow me to help them. I am willing to do so in every way I can.