I have blacklisted Clubdice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos and CDpoker

[dominique]

Well, this has been along time coming, I have finally rogued Cpays.

Specifically these casinos : Clubdice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos and CDpoker.

If you think 888 had unethical merketing methods, these casinos are the kings of all spammers.

They also hold open contests for it, last one had 500,000 entries - all spam spam spam.

Like this:

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This won a prize!!!! How do you like finding nothing but this crap when you look for a BJ strategy or something at google or one of the engines?

Unbelievable that this won a prize!!!!

And they just launched another contest, so brace yourself for another 500,000 plus entries like that in your search results.

I am rogueing these casinos and all odf CasinoPays, and if you have a website and make a page telling about why these casinos are blacklisted, I will link to you and so will many other sites.

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[sneakattack]

Is this banning purely for spamming and unethical advertising practinces.

 

[The Watchdog]

Good move

 

[dominique]

Is this banning purely for spamming and unethical advertising practinces.

Yes, that is the straw that broke the camel's back, but if you do a search you will find a lot of reasons why this group needed to be looked at more closely.

 

[jetset]

Looks like a good story, Dom - do you hve any details on these spamming contests they are holding - is this like the Brandy Casino episode a while back?

 

[lots0]

Before I join in...

What are the goals of blacklisting Cpays? What do you hope to get Cpays to do by blacklisting them?

I entered into the banning of 888 along with you and others, but there were no goals set in the beginning and IMO the effort fell apart when everyone wanted to go their own way after an initial success.

I still have 888 Blacklisted, Dom you and others do not. I will keep 888 Blacklisted until ALL the management involved with the spamming is gone from 888 or they go out of business, which ever comes first.

So again, my question, what do you hope to accomplish by this action?

Do you just want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and then you'll lift your blacklist? Or do you want to see something more substantial as an out come from this Blacklisting effort?

 

[dominique]

It is 500,000 times worse. That is the number of entries they got last time. Since there are not anwywhere near that many webmasters that could and would take part in a contest like that, we can assume that there are hundreds of thousands of duplicate entries generated by black hat searchengine spamming software.

Last time a number of their winning entries had to be disqualified because they were duplicates.

See here:

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Note how many of the entries have disappeared. Which legitimate webmaster would abandon a website that the searchengines rank so highly? Nobody. These are all spam sites, scrapers, blogspamming, message board spamming, whatever they can do. They even spammed the Forbes blog and got a prize for it and the webmaster who did it posted on CAP that he got a contract to run websites for them because of it.

Here is the new contest:

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[dominique]

Before I join in...

What are the goals of blacklisting Cpays? What do you hope to get Cpays to do by blacklisting them?

I entered into the banning of 888 along with you and others, but there were no goals set in the beginning and IMO the effort fell apart when everyone wanted to go their own way after an initial success.

I still have 888 Blacklisted, Dom you and others do not. I will keep 888 Blacklisted until ALL the management involved with the spamming is gone from 888 or they go out of business, which ever comes first.

So again, my question, what do you hope to accomplish by this action?

Do you just want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and then you'll lift your blacklist? Or do you want to see something more substantial as an out come from this Blacklisting effort?

I have 888 on probation. That means I do not recommend people play there and all clicks on 888 properties are linked to a page explaining what happened and linking to all pages that blacklisted them. That way players can get the full story before playing there. I put 888 on probation because they have been cooperative in removing all the spam pointed out to them. They are however not approved because there is still plenty of spam out there and they are not proactive about it.

With Casino Pays I hope to stop the flood of 500,000 more search engine spams, and I hope that Casino Pays will adopt google guide lines as part of qualifying measures this time. I hope that Casino Pays will respond to complaints by removing the offending webmaster and not delete one site when each of these webmasters have tens if not hundreds of thousands of them.

And finally I hope they will be proactive about it.

The only way this kind of spamming will stop soon, is if no one pays the spammers.

I hope that in our industry, we can achieve that.

 

[lots0]

Ok, so I get this straight.

You want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and become more ‘proactive’ in removing spamming affiliates. So in other words after the SEO contest ends the blacklisting will end?

If this is the case, I don’t know Dom, I don’t know if it is worth it or not.

The 888 thing cost me, I am still targeted by the spammers from 888 and they are still stealing money from me and trying to destroy my rankings.

If I am going to blacklist Cpays I want some real solid goals set before hand.

If you want to set a goal of getting the Cpays management replaced, well then I’m all with you. But if all you want is just to have them stop the SEO contests... I don’t know if it is worth my time and effort, because the Cpays management will just think of some other slimy thing to do in a week or two and we will right back in the same place.

I don’t blame the dumbass wanna be blackhat webmasters, in my opinion the direct responsibility for this crap is Cpays Management, they need to be replaced or removed, they are the problem.

Is this banning purely for spamming and unethical advertising practinces.

Every time I have looked into an affiliate program that was allowing or promoting spamming and theft by some affiliates from other affiliates, I have seen the same programs rip-off customers, every time.

Low life scum are low life scum, if they will steal from one person, they will steal from you, you can lay odds on it.

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BTW Dom, if you and I worked together we could win the SEO contest and split the cash... I am just joking... but you know we could... and we would not even have to go BH to do it...

 

[dominique]

Ok, so I get this straight.

You want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and become more proactive in removing spamming affiliates. So in other words after the SEO contest ends the blacklisting will end?

If this is the case, I dont know Dom, I dont know if it is worth it or not.

The 888 thing cost me, I am still targeted by the spammers from 888 and they are still stealing money from me and trying to destroy my rankings.

If I am going to blacklist Cpays I want some real solid goals set before hand.

If you want to set a goal of getting the Cpays management replaced, well then Im all with you. But if all you want is just to have them stop the SEO contests... I dont know if it is worth my time and effort, because the Cpays management will just think of some other slimy thing to do in a week or two and we will right back in the same place.

I dont blame the dumbass wanna be blackhat webmasters, in my opinion the direct responsibility for this crap is Cpays Management, they need to be replaced or removed, they are the problem.

Every time I have looked into an affiliate program that was allowing or promoting spamming and theft by some affiliates from other affiliates, I have seen the same programs rip-off customers, every time.

Low life scum are low life scum, if they will steal from one person, they will steal from you, you
can lay odds on it.

I don't necessarily want CPays to stop the contest, I want them to include the google guidelines as qualifying terms. That way the contest would be non spamming and in compliance with google's rules, which pretty clearly encourage ethical marketing and quality information.

Yes, being targeted by black hatters is not fun, I know all about that.

Getting management replaced is probably not going to happen, I try to set reasonable goals that can be met and will reduce spam.

So I think here the goals are to conduct a legitimate contest (and avoid another 500,000 spam entries), to clean up when there are founded complaints, and to proactively remove spam.

I think this can be obtained and will improve the image of this industry.

Ultimately it is google who will have to help here, and I just hope that some day they will allow me to help them. I am willing to do so in every way I can.

 

[lots0]

Getting management replaced is probably not going to happen...

Never know till you try.
Before we started with 888, a lot of people were saying we were wasting our time.

If all you want to do is just to get them to stop this contest or comply with googles guidlines, Im gonna have to pass for now. If you decide to upgrade the goals for this blacklisting down the road let me know.

BTW - there is no way Cpays can comply with googles guidelines and still have the contest, the contest its self is an attempt to manipulate googles results and that is forbidden by google's guidelines.

 

[dominique]

BTW - there is no way Cpays can comply with googles guidelines and still have the contest, the contest its self is an attempt to manipulate googles results and that is forbidden by google's guidelines.

Yes, true.

However, if the following things put forth by google are adhered to, there will not be a zillion spam entries, rather participants will learn something about building decent websites that are useful to players who search.

Quality guidelines - basic principles

Make pages for users, not for search engines. Don't deceive your users or present different content to search engines than you display to users, which is commonly referred to as "cloaking."

Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"

Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.

Don't use unauthorized computer programs to submit pages, check rankings, etc. Such programs consume computing resources and violate our Terms of Service. Google does not recommend the use of products such as WebPosition Gold that send automatic or programmatic queries to Google.

Quality guidelines - specific guidelines

Avoid hidden text or hidden links.
Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
Don't send automated queries to Google.
Don't load pages with irrelevant words.
Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
Don't create pages that install viruses, trojans, or other badware.
Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.
If your site participates in an affiliate program, make sure that your site adds value. Provide unique and relevant content that gives users a reason to visit your site first.

Making these requirements part of the contest would result in quality entries and positive contributions to the industry and players.

 

[lots0]

Don’t get me wrong Dom, in theory I agree with most everything you have said.

I just think it will be wasted effort to try to get Cpays to comply with these type of terms. Even if they do comply as far as the SEO contest goes, what about closing the affiliate accounts of the spammers and some of the other shady stuff?

You and I both know that the Management in question has been actively recruiting BH SEOs, we also both know that a big part of what this contest is all about is recruiting effective Blackhat SEOs, a long term plan to increase their search engine presence...

So how can we hope to reduce the spam or improve the image of online gambling if the goal is anything less than the replacement of the Management Team responsible?

 

[dominique]

Lotso, I just want to help the problem.

The most achievable and beneficial thing I can see is to include good qualifiers into the contest.

I know I am not a radical person on many levels, and I am often opposed because I believe that people should be able to redeem themselves.

I just want things to be right. Unleashing another 500,000 spam sites is just not right. It wouldn't be hard for CPays at all to fix this, so that is what I would like to see.

I realize it fixes the immediate problem only and not the origin. But it is a move in the right direction, and it is much better than doing nothing.

If we can also get better cooperation in the cessation of the use of spamdexing as Cpays marketing methods, that's good too.

I don't think these are difficult goals to achieve, especially the contest improvement. I have asked for this previously at CAP but it was ignored. I just want to draw attention to it and hope to see it fixed.

 

[lots0]

Good luck with your effort Dominique.

But to be honest, why would the Management at Cpays change the contest? It is doing just what they want.

The management at Cpays is doing the contest in the first place to recrute Blackhat SEOs, so why in the world would they want to try to make the contest 'google friendly', that would defeat their goal for the entire contest... Finding effective Blackhat SEOs...

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The comments by the Cpays Rep over at CAP just re-enforce what I believe. On one hand the Cpays Rep sz they are not criticizing anyone, but the Rep calls the affiliates that blacklisted 888 two faced and money hungry (You and I both know every affiliaite that took on 888 paid a price)... in my opinion, these folks are slime and I would not believe a word that came out of their mouths or off their keyboard.

I also noticed that the Cpays Rep was in no hurry to stop the contest...

 

[AussieDave]

Dom the stand you took on scumware was commendable, if not for your commitment to that issue, we may have still be under its clutches today.

Trying to stop SE spam is like trying to plug a dyke with a pkt of straws.
to those who try. But imo, your fighting a losing battle. (the casualities from the 888 issue stand as reason to my opinion).

 

[dominique]

Ah, so much pessimism!

It will not be perfect, and nothing in the past has been perfect.

But it will help. Everything in the past has helped.

At the end of the day, the casinos need us more than we need them.

 

[dominique]

Here we go:

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I am still mopping up their listings on my site, in a day or two everything will point to the rogue page.

 

[greedygirl]

First, kudos for fighting this fight. It's absolute crap what CPays is doing here and whatever can be done to prevent this from continuing (or growing) is good stuff.

I do, however, take issue with this particular comment:

At the end of the day, the casinos need us more than we need them.

I'm about to step in a landmine, but here goes...

When you say "us," I'm assuming you mean affiliates. While so many affiliates strive to do the "right thing," there's hundreds more out there who don't give a rats ass and are simply out for the quick buck. Were this not the case, we certainly wouldn't have sites like Cirrus, Prism, etc.

Currently, offline marketing is growing by leaps and bounds. Ask any online casino head-of-marketing about their offline marketing development and you'll get quite an education of how important offline has become. It's a natural progression for this industry and one that any of us marketing online needs to take seriously.

Do casinos profit greatly from the "good affiliates?" Absolutely. Have the "good affiliates" contributed to the success of online casinos? Absolutely. Are the "good affiliates" RESPONSIBLE for the success of online casinos? Arguable. Contributing and being the sole source of revenues are two entirely different things. I can guarantee that those less-ethical affiliates are responsible for far more revenues than that of their ethical, hard-working counterparts.

While I certainly don't underestimate the power of those hard-working, ethical affiliates, I do feel it is an over-assessment to say that the casinos need "you" more than "you" need "them."

With this in mind, I ABSOLUTELY believe that the "good" affiliates can help affect change--no question about it. It's been proven on dozens of occasions. What I DO question is the power of "good" affiliates in making change where both "bad affiliates" and crap operators are concerned. Without true regulation, it's a bit like plugging holes in a leaky boat with chewing gum, IMO.

I hope whoever reads this understands I am NOT anti-affiliate (I've been trying to lose that moniker for years, now). I AM, however, anti-crap-affiliate and there does need to be that distinction. I also believe that all sides of the industry needs to be realistic and objective in our expectations.

 

[dominique]

Actually I was referring to us folks here at Casinomeister, players and webmasters. After all these years I still always see us working together, it just makes sense to do. It makes for a very strong union.

Obviously the webmasters entering this contest with tens of thousands of spam sites are crappy webmasters. There are crappy programmers providing them with the tools to do so. There are crappy casinos paying for that stuff.

It's like cleaning a lived in house. It never stops and you are never done, but the alternative is living in filth. So one does what needs to be done.

 

[jargon]

I say its's all CRAP! people just don't get it, tune in maybe. Cpays has been manipulating the SE's for years already. These things happen because people let it happen. Maybe its' fear, people don't understand, affraid of getting their sites ripped apart from some malicious hack.

What cpays is endorsing is malicious, an exploit, no different from a trojan. I am sick of the mess some of these programs are causing. Wake up people! cpays is indeed a rogue operation same as 888.

The only natural progression of some programs is "greed". We build them up they take us down.

Talk is cheap, chase them down and give them a taste of the own medicine. Welcome to the internet and World Wide Web where anything is possible. Money has no intellect in this realm. Our cyber world has become too polluted with junk.

Cpays has stolen their own cake, fuzz balls. I won't be responding, knock yourself out.

Jargon

 

[jetset]

I'm perhaps showing my (affiliate sector) ignorance here, but surely the best way to attack this sort of bad practice is to inspan the search engines themselves?

Do they not care? Surely this is clogging up the works for them, too and any substantiated complaint would result in direct action where it counts - from the search engines themselves?

 

[The Dude]

I'm perhaps showing my (affiliate sector) ignorance here, but surely the best way to attack this sort of bad practice is to inspan the search engines themselves?

Do they not care? Surely this is clogging up the works for them, too and any substantiated complaint would result in direct action where it counts - from the search engines themselves?

Here is a handy dandy link:

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[The Dude]

What a stupid contest

By the way, CPays is a member of this forum. I'm sure he is aware of this thread, but I am PMing him anyway.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/

One quick comment from me - I am pretty much appalled but not surprised at this SEO "contest". As mentioned earlier by Dom in this thread, a legitimate contest would have incorporated the standards outlined here:

Quality guidelines - basic principles

Make pages for users, not for search engines. Don't deceive your users or present different content to search engines than you display to users, which is commonly referred to as "cloaking."

Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"

Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.

Don't use unauthorized computer programs to submit pages, check rankings, etc. Such programs consume computing resources and violate our Terms of Service. Google does not recommend the use of products such as WebPosition Gold that send automatic or programmatic queries to Google.

Quality guidelines - specific guidelines

Avoid hidden text or hidden links.
Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
Don't send automated queries to Google.
Don't load pages with irrelevant words.
Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
Don't create pages that install viruses, trojans, or other badware.
Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.
If your site participates in an affiliate program, make sure that your site adds value. Provide unique and relevant content that gives users a reason to visit your site first.

I like this one because I feel this is a core idea: A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you.

There are a number of affiliate managers that are probably just as disgusted as I am, and it really pisses me off to see casino affiliate programs condoning these sort of tactics to get more traffic. I'd like to see one of the managers at CPays explain this contest with a straight face to 32Red Affiliates or Trident Lounge. Hell, the CAC is just around the corner. What an opportunity!

Simply put - how friggin' greedy do you need to be?

And in my opinion - and take it for what it's worth - the management of an affiliate program reflects directly on the business ethics of the casino itself. There is no separation between the two. If you are willing to spam the hell out of a search engine that is designed to be a tool for collecting and searching for information, who's to say this casino won't go to extremes to trick players into making deposits, or throw some weirdness into their terms and conditions?

I'd like to hear from CPays on this issue. This is not a matter that merely affects affiliates; it is something that affects the entire industry.

 

[kwblue]

Excellent post CM!

I, as well, am fed up with the spamming of the search engines. You cannot find a good Casino Review site without going to some re-directed page which promotes either CPays or 888 brands. THAT is not an honest review.

You cannot look up a lot of search terms without seeing this crap. There are many webmasters out there trying to create quality content which actually benefits the surfer, but those sites get blasted out of the results pages by needless SPAM by CPays & 888.

It's really frustrating finding quality casino information lately

 

[dominique]

And in my opinion - and take it for what it's worth - the management of an affiliate program reflects directly on the business ethics of the casino itself. There is no separation between the two. If you are willing to spam the hell out of a search engine that is designed to be a tool for collecting and searching for information, who's to say this casino won't go to extremes to trick players into making deposits, or throw some weirdness into their terms and conditions?

Thank you for that. It is exactly what I think. Unethical is unethical.It's a general attitude and it carries throughout the actions.

 

[dominique]

I'm perhaps showing my (affiliate sector) ignorance here, but surely the best way to attack this sort of bad practice is to inspan the search engines themselves?

Do they not care? Surely this is clogging up the works for them, too and any substantiated complaint would result in direct action where it counts - from the search engines themselves?

The engines do a little mopping up by hand if they receive sufficient numbers of complaints that have all the necessary info. Real people do look at the spam complaints.

Mostly the complaints are used to devise new algorhythms though, which will hopefully prevent the same type of spam from recurring.

This is an ongoing battle which recently has been taken to it's all time high by groups like Casinopays actively holding contests to locate webmasters using such spam programs and willing to spam the engines for them.

Once located, these webmasters are hired to continue.

 

[lots0]

Do they not care? Surely this is clogging up the works for them, too and any substantiated complaint would result in direct action where it counts - from the search engines themselves?

Put like that it sounds easy. But it is far more complicated than that.

One of the biggest problems Google has about reporting Search Engine Spam, is that millions of Webmasters consider Search Engine Spam as ANYTHING that ranks above their site in the SERP (Search Engine Results Pages) and they don’t mind reporting it as Spam. So google has millions and millions, I am not joking or exaggerating here about the numbers, of Webmasters sending in Spam Reports every month about sites that are not considered Spam by the Search Engines. So every valid Spam complaint gets buried by tens of thousands of bogus reports... Now that’s Irony.

There are ways that Webmasters can become ‘trusted’ by google and then the Spam reports submitted by these ‘trusted’ Webmasters are given weight and are investigated by a real person. One way to become 'trusted' by google is to join their Webmaster Tools programme (used to be known as google site maps) and have ALL your sites verifyed by google, then when you report Spam, report it through google's Webmaster Tools and make sure that it is in fact Spam as defined by google and not just a page that out ranks you.


Back to the Subject:
I would really like to see what Cpays has to say about all this. I hope he decides to post here.

 

[The Dude]

For what it's worth, Cpays did contact me to let me know that they are taking this seriously and this will be resolved in a few days.

 

[lots0]

For what it's worth, Cpays did contact me to let me know that they are taking this seriously and this will be resolved in a few days.

In a few days... you mean after the contest is over?

Hey Dominique, I have thought about it and I have changed my mind, I will be putting up a Cpays Blacklist page in a few days.

 

[dominique]

I have not been contacted.

Things would be a lot easier if I were.

 

[lots0]

I just spent a whole hour of my and two of my employees time reporting javascript SPAM to google and guess what... every single page of SPAM we reported redirected to a Cpays Casino and we reported all the Spam we saw and there was a LOT of it.

Yup, I am glad I changed my mind about listing Cpays as a Blacklisted Casino programme, got my monkey working on a Rogue Cpays page as I type this.

Dominique, after a lot of thought, I believe your right about taking care of these Spammers. It is just like cleaning a lived in house, it never ends.

The most amazing thing I see in this Cpays disaster is the support Cpays is getting from one small sector of our industry.

I find it amazing that one of the so called “watchdogs” of the casino affiliate industry not only defends Cpays but has tried to stop the blacklisting of Cpays for months now. Even in the face of all the proof that Cpays is a scumbag spamming outfit, this person still defends and protects Cpays... Methinks this person is not what he seems to be. I won’t name names here, but I think every Casino Affiliate out there knows who I am talking about.

 

[lots0]

I see where Cpays now sz they are going to start addressing the issues.

Hey Ora, how about not paying your affiliate ID "aimer" for all the SPAM, you know all the stuff showing up in the search engines like this...

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mattsabrina.mabulle.com

It looks real good when you turn off the javascript and look at it...

When this shit starts disappearing from the search engines I might decide to put Cpays on Probation.

 

[dominique]

Casino Pays has made the very positive move of cleaning up the SEO contest:

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They very clearly refer participants to the google page for webmaster guidlelines.

This is a very positive step forward and one I truly appreciate. We just saved ourselves from hundreds of thousands of spam entries.

I will be adjusting my blacklist page accordingly.

There still is a lot of spamdexing to be dealt with, and I hope this big first step is a sign of great things to come and Casinopays will clean all the spamdexing webmasters out of it's affiliate and marketing system.

 

[winbig]

Casino Pays has made the very positive move of cleaning up the SEO contest:

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They very clearly refer participants to the google page for webmaster guidlelines.

This is a very positive step forward and one I truly appreciate. We just saved ourselves from hundreds of thousands of spam entries.

I will be adjusting my blacklist page accordingly.

There still is a lot of spamdexing to be dealt with, and I hope this big first step is a sign of great things to come and Casinopays will clean all the spamdexing webmasters out of it's affiliate and marketing system.

Definately a positive move, but:

We’re in the third week of the competition now and it’s
great to see that so many sites are already participating in the competition. However, we wanted to get one thing in the clear.
We thought it went without saying, but really, guys: No
dirty stuff! Any SEO caught doing any of the following:
stealing content, hiding links, etc. WILL NOT qualify for
any of the prizes. So keep it cool and... play nice!

edit: Why didn't they just cancel all entries and restart it? By not doing that, they're still going to have the spammers in it; thinking they can still break the rules and win...even if it's a futile attempt.

Also, it's quite funny the part about "We thought it went without saying, but really, guys: No dirty stuff!".....when they encouraged it in the first place.

And what about this little tidbit:

We our proud to present the Second CPayscom search engine optimization contest with a prize pool of $20,000! Again you are challenged to outsmart the biggest search engines on the internet! This time the big prize will go to the #1 MSN’er!

Outsmart? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but to me that sounds like "get around the rules and get your site up at the top, even on searches where it has no relevance"...

 

[lots0]

I havent even got my Cpays Blacklist page up yet... But we will have it up in a day or two.

Actions speak louder than words, when I see some action from Cpays and not just talk we'll think about removing Cpays from the blacklist and putting cpays on the not recommened list, after all this we won't recommed them until they have new management.

Come on Dom your not even going to wait to see a little something more than a trite comment on their so called 'rules'... you can't really be saying that all of a sudden these guys are to be trusted at their word?

Dom if your going to back down so easy, why bother to blacklist them in the first place?

A quote from Ora at Cpays:

"We do not believe that banning the affiliate will solve the spam issue."

No they believe in paying the SPAMMERS... Dom I can't believe your pulling your Cpays Rogue page... These guys are the problem.

 

[kwblue]

I think that CPays made a positive move, but it is just 'all fluff' until I see:

1. Results

2. Spammers BANNED and their accounts closed instead of CPays feeling that they can 'reform' them.


Until then, my blacklist pages remain. I think CPays will make the right move and begin to close accounts. It is only to their benefit to do so.

 

[lots0]

I am offering a free link to any Cpays Rogue/Blacklist page.

You can submit your page or you can PM me with it here.

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[winbig]

Does anyone have a conctact email address for anyone at CPays? Funny how abuse@ and spam@ emails bounce. Go figure. The only way I see to contact them is via the lame contact form they have setup. What a bunch of BS.


It seems that the same group that was spamming Vegas Red, Tropez, and Europa (The HI-R0LLER casino mails) have moved from CP to Cpays and are spamming the hell out of Vegas Lounge now.

They've even went to the extent of running 2 domains at once now in each email. I guess their domains were being shutdown too fast for them.


Update: Found [email protected] on their T&C page. It was listed under the "exit traffic" clause, but no contact address is listed for the spam clause Should we start a poll on whether or not CPays will act on this?

It's being discussed on the CAP board (

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), but it looks like they're taking a laidback approach (Trying to contact the owner of the domains they're using, etc....), even after they've been told this is a group of about 70 spammers; and not just some individual.

As you can see, this email is almost the exact same as the VR group used. There's no doubt it's the same people.

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[kwblue]

At the CAP thread, CPays responded that they are no longer paying one of the main SE Spammers. That is good in my book.

I would love to see them shut down the email spammer as well - they stated that they had already shut them down, but it appears not.

 

[dominique]

I don't see any reduction in spam of any type.

If and when I do, I will adjust their status accordingly.

 

[winbig]

At the CAP thread, CPays responded that they are no longer paying one of the main SE Spammers. That is good in my book.

I would love to see them shut down the email spammer as well - they stated that they had already shut them down, but it appears not.

He doesn't seem to understand (although thouroughly explained to him) that this is a group of about 70 spammers all over the world working together. I really don't think they know what they're in for.

 

[ddice]

Does anyone have a conctact email address for anyone at CPays? Funny how abuse@ and spam@ emails bounce. Go figure. The only way I see to contact them is via the lame contact form they have setup. What a bunch of BS.

ON msn messenger their rep is at [email protected]

Hope this helps.

 

[lots0]

I agree with Dominique here.

I would love to see them shut down the email spammer as well - they stated that they had already shut them down, but it appears not.

I think the phrase, "Getting smoke blown up our ass", would be approprate here.

I don't know about you guys, but I sure don't like the attitude of Cpays, it seems to me that they are laughing at us and trying to play stupid little mind games.

God I wish the folks at Casino Pays would grow up and start looking at the long term instead of just doing ANYTHING to make a few quick bucks. From what I see Cpays is hurting everyone that has anything to do with online gambling and making things worse is really not the answer here.

"A laid back aproach at CAP", maybe it has to do with the fact that Cpays is a Gold Sponsor of CAC... Money talks very loud in this business...

 

[winbig]

ON msn messenger their rep is at [email protected]

Hope this helps.

Thanks, but I've washed my hands of them...I talked to someone, and as said above, their laid back approach is BS.

I'll just forward all the spam I get from this group over to CPays....I'm sure it won't do anything, but it's nice to be a bit annoying

 

[lots0]

Just a reminder that like Dominique, I am offering free one way links to any page that Blacklists or Rogues any Cpays casino or Cpays itself. So if you put up a Rogue/Blacklist page you will get at least two good links, one from Dominique and one from me, not to mention all the other links from other Webmasters that are fed up with this crap. Just PM me with your URL and I'll take care of the rest.

If you’re a Webmaster and your as tired as I am of this crap, you should put up a page or two, telling everyone how you feel about getting ripped off on daily basis by the affiliates that work for Cpays.

If your not a Webmaster and you enjoy gambling online, you can still make your voice heard, at Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) I encourage Players to leave comments in my Casino Directory, I publish all relevant comments, even if I disagree with them.

 

[dominique]

Boy, this is only getting worse.

The spamdexing sites are sprouting up at incedible speed, tens of thousands a day. And the mail spam is going nuts too.

CAP has several threads ging on this now, whoppers.

I have even had complaints from other operators for crying out loud!

 

[winbig]

I have even had complaints from other operators for crying out loud!

Now that's bad.....


Threads at CAP & here going unanswered as well as emails. Imagine that. I don't think they have the balls to come here and try and explain themselves.

They might as well get rid of all their current spammers and keep this group. I'm sure they're kicking everyone's ass, and cornering the market on casinos offered by CPays.

Look closely at the image below (taken from one of the spam sites)....notice anything wrong?

 

[kwblue]

These guys are definitely getting worse. I am sick of CPays and I hope all players hear about these guys and know who is behind this crap! ClubDice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos, and CDPoker are the worst by far as far as the spamming is concerned.

I hope they all go bankrupt do to this idiotic campaign.

 

[winbig]

These guys are definitely getting worse. I am sick of CPays and I hope all players hear about these guys and know who is behind this crap! ClubDice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos, and CDPoker are the worst by far as far as the spamming is concerned.

I hope they all go bankrupt do to this idiotic campaign.

That's the problem. They're pretty much targeting new players that don't know any better...I mean c'mon...Anyone that's been around the block surely isn't going to sign up at a casino that's spamming them.

It's sick, disgusting, and quite unethical.