I have blacklisted Clubdice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos and CDpoker

[dominique]

Originally Posted by lots0

These people at CAP are a joke, I am ashamed that I am in the same business as them.

Tsk, tsk, my friend!

Never throw out the baby with the bath water, even if others are prone to do so.

Anyway, I think SE spamming should not be a reason of blacklisting the casinos because spam is a problem of google and other search engines

I see it as a problem for people who search using the engines most of all. They are, however, in no position to fix it.

Google is trying but it is difficult to ban all spammers without hurting innocents.

Most problems in this world go away if you remove the money factor.

Decent, non spamming affiliates who support a program that pays for spamdexing are in effect supporting the practice financially.

CPays is the last program to actively fund spamdexing. Getting them to stop will go a very long way in cleaning this mess up. Spamdexers only spam because it makes them money. If they can't make it in this industry, they will go elsewhere and we will be rid of them.

As an example, 888 has cleaned up the majority of it's engine spam as a result of being confronted about it, and went as far as sending a rep to the Vegas conference to attempt to find an effective solution to catch these spammers on their own.

That is a good faith effort and I will happily work with them towards a final solution.

Should CPays decide to make a decent effort to clean this up, I will be happy to work with them too.

I don't blacklist in order to hurt a business, I want to fix problems. And in the end, all benefit, including the blacklisted program.

Spamdexing is a short sighted business model at best, apart from being illegal and plain unethical. It needs to be dealt with, and I like to act and not wait for other entities to do so, as long as I see a chance for resolution.

[winbig]

Originally Posted by K777

These guys voted No1 casino affiliate program by Gambling Online magazien...

Lots0, you forgot this point, so I'll take care of it.


K777, I could almost bet that Gambling Online went strictly by NUMBERS and not ETHICS.

Besides, ANYBODY that promotes EH is questionable in my book. If you'll notice, it's the 2nd casino listed on their homepage. xxhttp://www.gamblingonlinemagazine.com/


Biased? I think so.

They PROMOTE CPays casinos.

Who are they to rank affiliate programs when they're an affiliate of them themselves?

Not even knowing their history, I wouldn't take anything GO says with a grain of salt. Especially when it comes to "rankings".

As for CPays, any business that promotes exploiting bugs; or finding new ones, to get their spam sites to come up in irrelevant searches by end users, is running a very shady operation.

And lest we not forget the blind eye they're showing by letting this group of affiliates continue to operate that are spamming millions of people every day.

[lots0]

Dominique, I guess you missed this.

Originally Posted by lots0



Point taken, I wish I could retract that statement. In my defense, I can only say that the irony (it’s over whelming you’ve got to admit) and my anger over this content theft overcame me and I made a statement that I should not have.

Of course, the apology from the content thief was approprate... OH thats right, the content thief has not apologized nor given credit to the source of the information...

I find it funny you did not mention the content theft from here Dominique, usually you are so eloquent and opinionated on content thieft from websites.

Added>>>

These guys voted No1 casino affiliate program by Gambling Online magazien...

As far as I know this was a marketing ploy and not a real 'election' so ending up #1 does not mean anything more than Cpays paid out a little more than the others to 'win' the election.

[jetset]

Originally Posted by lots0


No your way wrong. You make the same lame argument every spammer I have ever talked too has made... FYI - I have been talking too spammers for years and years and the flawed spammer argument/logic never changes.

I got news for ya, casino search spam effects everyone in the online casino business in a bad way...

Let me tell you why search engine spam is not just Google’s problem.

When search engine spam costs me money, its my problem, not googles
(google does not care if I make money or not).

When my property is stolen and used by someone else to make themselves money (scraped pages) it is MY problem not googles.

When my customers and visitors are negatively effected by search engine spam it is MY business.

When the entire online gambling industry is made to look like bad guy spammers (like it does when spam fills the search engine results pages) it is my business, because it costs me money and respect.

When users are being redirected to ripoff casinos via search engine spam, it is MY business, because again, it effects my business.

Every time a US Senators wife or a Congressmen’s kid make a search for some innocuous fact and find non-related Casino Search Engine Spam, it is MY business, because again, it effects my business.

So when online casinos turn bad and start search engine or email spamming it is in my best interests and my customers, visitors and the online casino industry best interests to Blacklist the bad Casinos and make all their dirty little dealings very public. Then the public can make an informed decision if they want to deposit their money with a casino group that has been blacklisted like Cpays or Casava(888).

Excellent post, Lots0 and I would like to use it in our news service bulletins with your permission?

Dom, the following statement sounds like a potential news story on this topic, too - perhaps you would either post here or PM me with the details?

QUOTE: As an example, 888 has cleaned up the majority of it's engine spam as a result of being confronted about it, and went as far as sending a rep to the Vegas conference to attempt to find an effective solution to catch these spammers on their own. UNQUOTE

[lots0]

Originally Posted by jetset

I would like to use it in our news service bulletins with your permission?

Thank you. I don't have a problem with you using it as long as CM does not have a problem with it.

[Webzcas]

Great post Lotso on defining why search engine spam promoting online gambling is bad for the entire online gambling industry.

Also on the subject of CPays, how on earth did they get the
Gambling Online Magazine award bestowed on them???? - Maybe I should start dishing out awards as well, at least IMO the winners would be more worthy!

Seriously the only awards in the industry I recognise are those that are dished out by Bryan each and every year.

CPays in my experience as an affiliate offer the earth but in reality are one of worst programs you could sign up with. Barge pole I would not touch them with.

Then from a player point of view, why play at the likes of Monaco Gold and Club Dice, whereby you are made to jump through the proverbial hoops, when you would have a much better hassle free experience by playing at a decent online casino.

[Webzcas]

As far as I know this was a marketing ploy and not a real 'election' so ending up #1 does not mean anything more than Cpays paid out a little more than the others to 'win' the election.

Isn't that the case with the majority of awards that GOM dish out

[dominique]

Originally Posted by jetset

Dom, the following statement sounds like a potential news story on this topic, too - perhaps you would either post here or PM me with the details?

QUOTE: As an example, 888 has cleaned up the majority of it's engine spam as a result of being confronted about it, and went as far as sending a rep to the Vegas conference to attempt to find an effective solution to catch these spammers on their own. UNQUOTE

I am packing and need to catch a plane home, but will be happy to elaborate in a day or two.

[WagerWitch]

Alright - I've been working with SEO on my own and learning the ropes.

I do have to say that the CPAYS2 promo is clogging up Google with senseless sites in the top positions - even if only for a few days/weeks.

HOWEVER.... I'm seeing a WORSE, more evil intrusion that is coming about by competitive Google Farmers and Search Engine nasty people...

The request that your site be removed.

In my humble opinion - places like MSN and GOOGLE should make website owners sign up and join with name and password - so that NO ONE can take your site off the index - without you knowing about it.

Scary, the tactics that I am seeing - but I thought I'd toss that one out there because I think that it is quite possible that the CPays competition might be partially responsible for the removal requests - in the attempt to remove more legit sites - for the SEO competition to make the top 10.

Just my thoughts.

Wager Witch
luckymeki

[lots0]

Looks like the search engine SPAM from CPAYS agent 'aimer' is on the come back.

Lots and lots of NEW CPAYS 'aimer' SPAM in the google search results.

Looks like ‘aimer’ just waited and collected a list of sites that had not updated their plone CMS and PHPBB software. Once he had a list of sites he started this new attack, using all these sites that have not and look unlikely to upgrade their software.

The Cpays affiliate manager has said that Cpays closed the affiliate account of ‘aimer’...

It’s obvious now that CPAYS and their affiliate managers are a bunch of liars.

All this nice nice talk at the affiliate thing in Vegas from Cpays was just them blowing smoke up everyone’s asses.

Somthing to note: I have seen the search engine spam running on the latest yabbforum software.

xxwww.thewildrose.net/anyboard9/forum/posts/12071.html

Be careful, that is a javascript redirected URL... If you want to see what it really looks like turn off the javascript in your browser before you look.