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**kwblue** · 15th September 2006, 01:36 AM

I'm not quite sure I agree with you here, lots0.

I believe that Dhayman is just researching facts and presenting them. As I recall - on the CAP forum he brought to light information you had found. However, it was others that gave him credit for it. He should probably have said that he did not find the info himself.. but found it in a post at CM.

But that doesn't make all of CAP a bunch of idiots. I post there quite regularly and do not think of myself as a joke. Of course, maybe I am and just do not realize

I, like many others, just want to find a way to stop this crap from occuring and getting worse all over the internet.

**winbig** · 15th September 2006, 02:35 AM

I was sending a copy of every piece of spam I recieved from this group (HI-R0LLER, etc) to nospam@ and manager@ cpays.com, and never getting a reply.

I wanted to make sure that they weren't filtering my address, so I sent them a copy from a NEW AND CLEAN gmail account that has never been used before.

Guess what? Shortly afterwards, I receved a TON of spam promoting 21magic.com, which continues to this day.

What does this prove?

CPAYS IS NOT ONLY CONDONING THIS SPAM, THEY ARE SUPPLYING EMAIL ADDRESSES TO THIS GROUP.

EDIT: Now I know you're asking yourself why they would do this. The way I see it is they're thinking if they don't directly spam, it can't be linked back to them. Problem is, we're not dumb.

Kudos to all those who blacklist/rogue this group, and I hope many more join your efforts.

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**lots0** · 15th September 2006, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by kwblue

I'm not quite sure I agree with you here, lots0.

Thats cool.

Originally Posted by kwblue

I believe that Dhayman is just researching facts and presenting them.

Yup, with out giving credit to the source... in other words stealing.

Originally Posted by kwblue

He should probably have said that he did not find the info himself.. but found it in a post at CM.

If he/she would have done that I would not have a problem. But the fact is that this person did steal the content, by not giving a link back to CM or even mentioning the source.

Originally Posted by kwblue

But that doesn't make all of CAP a bunch of idiots. I post there quite regularly and do not think of myself as a joke.

Point taken, I wish I could retract that statement. In my defense, I can only say that the irony (it�s over whelming you�ve got to admit) and my anger over this content theft overcame me and I made a statement that I should not have.

Now if I had stolen (copied and posted and not given credit) some of Dhayman�s content I wonder how he/she would feel about it... Of course I would only use Dhayman�s content for research, research on how to make myself more money...

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winbig - I figured out a while ago that Cpays is just laughing at all of us �honest� Webmasters. They are very very deceptive in all their dealings and seem willing to go to any lengths, including hiring gangsters and thugs to their dirty work.

There are a few prominent names in this business (Casino Super Affiliates) that are making a lot of money off of Cpays, these folks are willing to turn a blind eye and even help Cpays avoid a backlash from the online casino affiliate community as long as the money keeps coming. SO Cpays feels right now like they are bullet proof, that they can get away with anything.

Remember that the search engine spamming has not diminished because of anything that Cpays has done, it has diminished because the exploit that Alex Blood hacked was found and patched. I am afraid that the email spamming from these sub-humans will never end.

**winbig** · 15th September 2006, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by lots0

I am afraid that the email spamming from these sub-humans will never end.

Actually, there are a few states here in the USA where if you spam their residents, it's viewed as a felony.

Now all we need to do is generate enough complaints from residents of those states and get them sent to the AG. MAYBE then action will be taken.

For instance:

The Virginia statute makes it illegal to send unsolicited bulk email containing falsified routing information, if the sender thereby violates a service provider’s policies, or to distribute software designed to falsify routing information. The Virginia provisions are novel in that they are among the first to permit felony prosecutions and seizure of the criminal’s assets. Legislators have argued that existing spam laws have been ineffective because many of the worst spammers are virtually judgment proof or the statutory penalties were not great enough to deter the spammers.

**lots0** · 15th September 2006, 09:12 AM

United States law is not universal. What are the prosecutors from the US going to do in Kiev or Beijing?
Not much... Sorry just being realistic. As long as there is money to be made someone will find away.

A different approach, that won’t work either, is to try to teach users not to open spam or buy anything thru spam, you’d think people would have learned not to open spam by now...

But all it takes is one moron in ten thousand to buy 'make my peepee bigger pills' from the nice spam email and the spammer has made a profit.

**winbig** · 15th September 2006, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by lots0

United States law is not universal. What are the prosecutors from the US going to do in Kiev or Beijing?
Not much... Sorry just being realistic. As long as there is money to be made someone will find away.

A different approach, that won’t work either, is to try to teach users not to open spam or buy anything thru spam, you’d think people would have learned not to open spam by now...

But all it takes is one moron in ten thousand to buy 'make my peepee bigger pills' from the nice spam email and the spammer has made a profit.

Actually, why wouldn't it work? I'm sure they'd have fun trying to extradite these spammers, seeing as how some state laws allow the state to confiscate all of the spammers assets if convicted. Could be quite lucrative for the state...

**lots0** · 15th September 2006, 06:24 PM

Actually, why wouldn't it work?

Well some of the top minds on the www have been trying to figure out how to stop email spam for years... In case you haven’t noticed, nothing anyone has tried has worked...

BTW I live in a state with one of if not the strongest anti spam laws on the books, under the law I should be able to collect $1500 for every spam email I receive, the problem is how you gonna get the money? You think the Russian government is gonna help me collect this $1500 per email as the spammers live in their country... not a chance. The anti spam law where I live is a useless and worthless law that will NEVER be enforced. So why is it on the books? So some politico can tell the people they deserve votes because of the strong anti spam laws this person supported... bah humbug bullshit. (according to this bullshit law I made over $500,000 this morning alone... Ya right)

Spammers have the same mentality as the person that stole the information from this board and posted it as their own... The thief obviously does not think they have done anything wrong, much like the email spammers. Most of those email spammers feel it is their right to be able to send whatever they want to whoever they want and a lot of the spammers are supported in this belief by their governments.

Some people just don’t have common sense. Most people would consider it common sense not to take something that is not yours and then lead people to assume that it is yours. Just like it is common sense (at least to me) that most people do not want a inbox full of emails touting peepee enlarger pills or phony casino deposit bonuses...

**K777** · 16th September 2006, 10:23 PM

Dominique,

As for the Cpays, I would agree with you that this group should be taken with care but for other reasons then SE spamming. These guys voted No1 casino affiliate program by Gambling Online magazien... They asked me for "experiment" and promised to pay extra cash but didn't pay when the results of the experiment were frustrating. But that's a personal issue and unethical business practice on their end.

Anyway, I think SE spamming should not be a reason of blacklisting the casinos because spam is a problem of google and other search engines. It's google who breads this spam and it's google who should solve these problems. Why they reward such spamming sites and index them instead of other good quality sites? And why should we, webmasters, do what the google says? Instead of writing a small peace of code to prevent this kind of spamming, these PHD guys urge webmasters to perform a huge amount of manual work.

**kwblue** · 16th September 2006, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by K777

Anyway, I think SE spamming should not be a reason of blacklisting the casinos because spam is a problem of google and other search engines. It's google who breads this spam and it's google who should solve these problems. Why they reward such spamming sites and index them instead of other good quality sites? And why should we, webmasters, do what the google says? Instead of writing a small peace of code to prevent this kind of spamming, these PHD guys urge webmasters to perform a huge amount of manual work.

The email spam has nothing to do with Google. It has to do with CPays allowing their affiliate 'aimer' to do whatever possible to gather players even if that means illegally spamming( by co-opting server mail programs) and sending out fraudulent emails from those servers to prevent traceability.

**lots0** · 17th September 2006, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by k777

I think SE spamming should not be a reason of blacklisting the casinos because
spam is a problem of google and other search engines.

No your way wrong. You make the same lame argument every spammer I have ever talked too has made... FYI - I have been talking too spammers for years and years and the flawed spammer argument/logic never changes.

I got news for ya, casino search spam effects everyone in the online casino business in a bad way...

Let me tell you why search engine spam is not just Google’s problem.

When search engine spam costs me money, its my problem, not googles
(google does not care if I make money or not).

When my property is stolen and used by someone else to make themselves money (scraped pages) it is MY problem not googles.

When my customers and visitors are negatively effected by search engine spam it is MY business.

When the entire online gambling industry is made to look like bad guy spammers (like it does when spam fills the search engine results pages) it is my business, because it costs me money and respect.

When users are being redirected to ripoff casinos via search engine spam, it is MY business, because again, it effects my business.

Every time a US Senators wife or a Congressmen’s kid make a search for some innocuous fact and find non-related Casino Search Engine Spam, it is MY business, because again, it effects my business.

So when online casinos turn bad and start search engine or email spamming it is in my best interests and my customers, visitors and the online casino industry best interests to Blacklist the bad Casinos and make all their dirty little dealings very public. Then the public can make an informed decision if they want to deposit their money with a casino group that has been blacklisted like Cpays or Casava(888).