PR: eCOGRA COMPLIANCE COMMITTEE REPORT ON JACKPOT FACTORY SEARCH ENGINE ISSUE

**AussieDave** · 5th August 2006, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by kwblue

Now - get eCogra to look into 888, CasinoPays, and Casino Partners SPAM. They are damaging the industry pretty bad IMO.

As far as CasinoPays and Casino Partners eCogra wont do jack.

In so far a 888.com eCogra wont act on any other compliant unless it comes from a player.

I'm sure there must be more than a few webmasters that also hold a player account at 888.com. Though, unless it's player related issue, eCogra have said they wont get involved. More Spin Doctor BS imo.

Though they (Andrew Beveridge CEO) didn't have an issue with putting out a press release that voiced eCogra's views on the actions of GamFed & their scumware.

Bit hard biting the hand that feeds you

**RobWin** · 5th August 2006, 03:29 AM

Spearmaster, your analysis is beyond rebuttle. I agree totally and could have not said it better myself. What a real disappointment hearing this from eCOGRA

**jetset** · 5th August 2006, 09:12 AM

The negative reaction here is what disappoints me the most. eCOGRA have made a conscientious effort to mount a pretty impressive committee of wider industry experts, sent an investigating team to wherever JF is and then made public what I consider to be a transparent finding based on fact.

That's a first in this industry in my experience, yet it is being actively discounted here.

No attempt has been made to sweep this under the carpet, and it is a pity that this is not better appreciated.

To those who expect fines or other punitive action instead of remedial measures, may I repeat the final paragraph of the findings?

Quote: The goal of eCOGRA in incidents such as this is to remove the immediate cause and potential for harm as quickly as possible, and then through fair and factual investigation isolate the reasons and ensure that systems are in place to guard against any repetition. These objectives have, in the opinion of this Committee, been met. Unquote

My understanding is that eCOGRA exists to set and enforce player protective standards of conduct on the 85 online gambling venues using Ongame, 888.com and Microgaming software that have voluntarily submitted to its authority, and the only punitive weapon seems to be the removal of the seal in cases where a member refuses to comply with remedial measures. That is not the case here.

To sidetrack this issue (can anyone forget the extreme PLAYER opprobrium this issue rightly generated?) into a totally unrelated matter like the 888.com issue in my opinion acts as a distraction here.

I support those who are critical of the sitescraping and blog spamming with which 888.com is so frequently accused, but a 888.com thread already exists at CM and just about everywhere else on the Web and can be added to without the risk of derailing an important discussion here.

**dominique** · 5th August 2006, 07:30 PM

Management backed this up by re-directing company resources and mounting a committed and energetic exercise to track down every element of the campaign that could be found in order to remove it, at the same time urging the public to report any elements discovered so that these could be addressed.

This matters to me a lot.

It is a show of goodwill and willingness to fix. I am sure they lost a whole bunch of money with this mess, and they bit the bullet and fixed things.

Sorry Jetset, but the comparison to 888 comes to mind again - 888 has asked people to police the search engines for them and to report things, but they are not proactive and are not mounting any exercise to track down their own mess.

Casinopays is even worse, they have nothing to do with eCOGRA though.

Of all the searchengine abusers out there, JPF is the only one who actually acted proactively to rectify the problem.

**RobWin** · 6th August 2006, 12:46 AM

Of all the searchengine abusers out there, JPF is the only one who actually acted proactively to rectify the problem.
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dominique

Dominique I have to disagree with you on this because if Jackpot Factory had really been proactive there would not have been a problem to rectify in the first place.

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**winbig** · 6th August 2006, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by RobWin

Dominique I have to disagree with you on this because if Jackpot Factory had really been proactive there would not have been a problem to rectify in the first place.

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That and it took them a month to take these pages down. Not to mention (again) that during this time they kept saying it was fixed when it wasn't.

**dominique** · 6th August 2006, 02:04 AM

All true, but compared to the other offenders they still smell like a rose.

I prefer someone who does something wrong and fixes it to someone who does something wrong and expects others to fix it, and the worst is the one who does something wrong and is resistant to any type of fix because the profits are too nice.

**winbig** · 6th August 2006, 02:57 AM

True, I give them a

for ultimately making good on their promises to stop this "campaign"....it's just the time it took for them to do it that I have a problem with. As stated above, they had many alternatives to choose from rather than just leaving the pages up for so long while they were hunting down the root of the problem....

**The Watchdog** · 6th August 2006, 07:29 PM

I read the meister's newsletter ...

The eCogra explanation of how the Jackpot factory's issue was handled just made me sick..

I have given my opinion about eCogra's operation in the past, and won't give them more bad comments..

Never the less, every day is more obvious to me that their operation is not working properly.

**RobWin** · 7th August 2006, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by winbig

True, I give them a

for ultimately making good on their promises to stop this "campaign"....it's just the time it took for them to do it that I have a problem with. As stated above, they had many alternatives to choose from rather than just leaving the pages up for so long while they were hunting down the root of the problem....

Totally agree winbig