Issue with Amigotechs Jacks or Better 50-line software

[Eliot Jacobson]

Greetings,

I would like to draw this forum's attention to a thread over at Wizard of Vegas, regarding the software created by Amigotechs. The thread gives the results of my investigation of their 50-line Jacks or Better video poker during the period December 15, 2011 to December 28, 2011. My conclusion was that there was a fairness issue with Amigotechs' software.

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambl...ng/#post114499

Casino City gives a list of the casinos hosting their software. I am not sure if this list is current:

http://online.casinocity.com/software/amigotechs/

Kind regards,

Eliot

[max1mike]

"To put this in perspective, it is more likely to win the United States Powerball lottery 14 times in a row, buying a single
ticket, than that the results of this game happened purely by chance. It is more likely, playing blackjack, to be dealt a
blackjack 90 times in a row than that the results of the game happened purely by chance."


wow. just wow.

yeah. that place seems legit.

[jetset]

Another shocker for the industry from this Panama-based, little known company that nevertheless provides its games to enough online casinos to be a cause for deep concern.

Not a lot of detail on their website on who these folks are, unfortunately.

Did they respond to your findings, Eliot?

[Nate]

Interesting info...

Pamper Casino is one of those providing the game

Nate

[Eliot Jacobson]

Did they respond to your findings, Eliot?

Not yet. But it's just a few hours old.

[coenie]

Doesn't suprise me a bit.. Their Blackjack is also easily exploitable because you can find the cards the dealer and you will get even before you hit HIT or STAND. But the software was so crappy, I even didnt want to exploit it lol.


,Coenie

[max1mike]

i get email from pamper monthly, offering free chips, so today, i took them up on it.

$20..played whatever the christmasy themed game is... 21 lines, nickle a spin...really quick i am up to $70...so i crank the bet up to a dime a spin...now im up to over $100.

since I'm not ever expecting to cash out (much less deposit) from the diaper, i raise the bet to 25 cents per line...WOOHOO!!!!LOOK AT ME...now I have like $3hundy and change...

so...with over 300 in my account, i raise my bet , to 50 cents a spin and go ...ready....


0 for fifteen. yep, thats right. not one spin at $10.50 per spin won ANYTHING!

every spin when I raised the bet paid ZERO

[spiderlegz]

Well it was basically known for years that AST/Amigotechs/ThrillX was rigged so no surprise.

[Casinomeister]

FTR - here is a list of affected casinos and poker rooms:

SBG Global Casino
Pamper Casino
Poker Host
AC Casino - Always Cool Casino
JustBet
BetGuardian
Tropical Cash Casino
Pro Poker Evolution
Hard Poker Club
Pepita Poker
Poker Face
Poker Texas Club
PokerRooM.eu

Well it was basically known for years that AST/Amigotechs/ThrillX was rigged so no surprise.

AST - well, that's a blast from the past! I thought they were defunct. AST had some serious issues. Search the site and you'll see what I mean.

[vinylweatherman]

Doesn't suprise me a bit.. Their Blackjack is also easily exploitable because you can find the cards the dealer and you will get even before you hit HIT or STAND. But the software was so crappy, I even didnt want to exploit it lol.


,Coenie

Given this latest revelation, they would have deserved it, even if you donated much of the proceeds to charity

This is the problem with cheating software. It can be outsmarted by clever players who accept as a premise that there will be an exploitable non random pattern from the outset, so they will be looking for one.

Pamper casino got off to a bad start, and then started offering crazy bonuses like 3000%. Crazy for random software that is, but pretty safe if it is rigged to guarantee a set profit for the casino.

If the software is crappy, it may not be adaptive to clever betting patterns, so could theoretically be outsmarted.

Whilst they may argue they won't play because the player "cheated", the only argument they could use to substantiate such a claim is that the player worked out the pattern of the cards that had not yet appeared, and this would mean admitting that they KNOWINGLY used rigged software.

Rigged software has to let some players win some of the time, else it would be found out too quickly to be of any use. Lucky Chance software was rigged, but you could still win sometimes. I started looking for the possiblilty of a predictive exploit after gathering enough results to make me suspicious of the blackjack game, but they suddenly closed down shortly after. The Cipher software would probably have worked at Lucky Chance, because it was rigged, and the patterns were real. It appeared to offer shoe penetration, but probably cheated by "dealing seconds" to keep the dealer from busting. This moved the RTP down, but still allowed you to win sometimes.