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Constant Losing at CLUBWORLD w/ HORRIBLE features

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Has anyone noticed how tight the slots are at Club World Casinos. I thought these guys were accredited with the Meister and from what I remember they even have a rep on here. How is this possible? Does anyone ever have any luck on there?

I have been playing with them for a couple months and I do have to say that they have been pretty amazing at customer service. Whats troubling however is going 200 spins without hitting bonus features. When I put on autospin and hit nothing within 200 spins you know something ain't right.

How in Gods name are these guys accredited? Even when you do hit a feature it seems like no matter what you wager, the win is always between 1 buck and 30 bucks. I cannot even count the number of times I've wagered a buck or more and the feature has yielded NOTHING. The features suck, the wins suck, the service is great, but good customer service isn't fun to spend.

Anyone else finding this to be true? I had WAYYYYYYY better luck playing at Rushmore Casino and they aren't even accredited. At least there I won.
 
I could write the same about iNetBet.

Maybe try another RTG, there are quite a few.

The casino and everyone else here will say stop depositing, I seem to disagree with that a bit for the reason, if there is such a thing as RTP, someone would eventually hit no? How can one person deposit thousands without getting any kind of withdrawal??? (talking about myself here)

Things have changed at ALL casinos, some people agree, some don't. (I agree) the payouts have been the lowest I have ever seen. I mean I have NEVER seen all casino pay...ummm...not pay this bad.

I personally don't think being accredited matters in this situation.
 
I could write the same about iNetBet.

Maybe try another RTG, there are quite a few.

The casino and everyone else here will say stop depositing, I seem to disagree with that a bit for the reason, if there is such a thing as RTP, someone would eventually hit no? How can one person deposit thousands without getting any kind of withdrawal??? (talking about myself here)

Things have changed at ALL casinos, some people agree, some don't. (I agree) the payouts have been the lowest I have ever seen. I mean I have NEVER seen all casino pay...ummm...not pay this bad.

I personally don't think being accredited matters in this situation.

Thanks and yeah I know people will tell me to stop playing but this is the complaint section and I am posting accordingly. I understand the consequences of playing and accept them. I just wonder about the fact that being "accredited" may mean nothing more than "Not absolute crooks".

I think the issue is not that I lose, Ive been losing for years LOL. My issue comes with the fact that If I play at an accredited casino, I would expect fair gaming. And I don't feel like fair gaming is going.

I have been playing for quite a while and have to agree that the casinos these days are just plain bad. We don't really have a chance any more and while that has taken a lot of the fun out of it, there's still a little fun left. There's still that 1 in a million chance that you'll hit a small jackpot. And its fun. I'd probably be better off playing The lottery though, must have better odds.
 
Depending on which slot u play it is not uncommon to wait 200+ spins for a feature and it's not unusual to get small payouts. However, I've also had 3000xbet on features so if you want the big you have to take the small.

As far as rtp being 'the lowest ever', I suggest that people use the wayback machine over the past 10 years at the CM forums and read all the exact same complaints about the rtp being lowered and no features etc etc etc. So, if their opinion is as valid as yours then nobody would be winning at all and the rtp would be down to about 7%
.....and the winner screenshots will prove that to be way off.

Players need to remember that rtp is calculated on a complete cycle of all reel combinations and is not personal or 'per player '. In fact, given most players will never experience all combinations (especially the Max payout ) then it isn't surprising that people don't feel like the rtps are 'right' , because for them personally it probably is much lower.
 
kuschman03:I just wonder about the fact that being "accredited" may mean nothing more than Not absolute crooks".
This is an interesting view...I think I am likely to have to agree with this simply because I, too feel as if many have become close enough to thievery and less than fair in the last few years.
Nifty29: I suggest that people use the wayback machine over the past 10 years at the CM forums and read all the exact same complaints
Um, Nifty, I will have to disagree here. I just pulled up all non bonus complaints and the first one shows as of 2006 that I can find with setting my settings up with the oldest thread started first. So if this is correct, then you are way off. Have earlier posts on non bonus complaints disappeared? If so, then I still have to disagree with you on this. Most complaints started at the time of the announcement of the UIGEA and thereafter IMO. I cannot find one that was started any earlier. I found other complaints starting in 2002 but not about bonus rounds or pay in bonus rounds.


So all in all, I am still surprised you are holding to the fact that
Depending on which slot u play it is not uncommon to wait 200+ spins for a feature and it's not unusual to get small payouts
This too was not true until the last few years. Again, to make it sound like 200 or more spins for a feature is "normal" is not really a fact IMO...and to continue to claim this, also does no service to the players IMO.

I just went under the section of Online Casinos and found the only issues there from 2002 were either cashout or free chips or casinos closing..so as to the bonus rounds vs bonus wins or lack of thereof , they have pretty much started during the transition which does show things HAVE changed drastically.

If you can find or point me to a different time frame, then that would help in your continuous claims of "nothing has changed " with online casinos. Otherwise, I feel you really have no "proof" that they have not changed.

Things have changed at ALL casinos, some people agree, some don't. (I agree) the payouts have been the lowest I have ever seen. I mean I have NEVER seen all casino pay...ummm...not pay this bad..
I also agree with you on this.

I will accept to be corrected...by anyone without being offended...


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Thanks to all for the feedback. It is all welcome and helpful.

Depending on which slot u play it is not uncommon to wait 200+ spins for a feature and it's not unusual to get small payouts. However, I've also had 3000xbet on features so if you want the big you have to take the small.

I do have to disagree with this. I feel like it is not common at all to have to go through 200+ spins for a feature. Or at least not up until this point in gaming history. Playing in the real casinos where there is actual law being sanctioned I seldom have seen this in my experience. That's not to say I haven't had bad runs ( Possible bad wording...) but at least when I lose at a land based casino I know that I am getting a fair chance. In addition, when I'm betting $1 spins, and I finally do hit a feature, I expect some kind of winning.

As far as the winner screenshots, which I love looking at, I think this represents a extraordinary small percentage of players. Do realize the amount of screenshots that are posted per month in regards to the number of people playing? There is an incredibly small number of people posting there and who's to say that some of them aren't fraudulent?

I just wish there were a casino that would be OK making a little bit less and letting the player win a little bit more. I think one of the main issues here is the criteria that goes into an accredited casino. Do they players get any say in this?
 
Thanks to all for the feedback. It is all welcome and helpful.

Depending on which slot u play it is not uncommon to wait 200+ spins for a feature and it's not unusual to get small payouts. However, I've also had 3000xbet on features so if you want the big you have to take the small.

I do have to disagree with this. I feel like it is not common at all to have to go through 200+ spins for a feature. Or at least not up until this point in gaming history. Playing in the real casinos where there is actual law being sanctioned I seldom have seen this in my experience. That's not to say I haven't had bad runs ( Possible bad wording...) but at least when I lose at a land based casino I know that I am getting a fair chance. In addition, when I'm betting $1 spins, and I finally do hit a feature, I expect some kind of winning.

As far as the winner screenshots, which I love looking at, I think this represents a extraordinary small percentage of players. Do realize the amount of screenshots that are posted per month in regards to the number of people playing? There is an incredibly small number of people posting there and who's to say that some of them aren't fraudulent?

I just wish there were a casino that would be OK making a little bit less and letting the player win a little bit more. I think one of the main issues here is the criteria that goes into an accredited casino. Do they players get any say in this?

So are you saying Casinomeister should only make casinos accredited based on players feed back of winning or losing?

Like you have just mentioned about the screenshots (Bolded Above). Then you should also note that there are 100's of 1000's that play that do not frequently visit Casinomeister, so who is to say these people are not winning?

I have not played RTG in a long time because I did not like my playtime there so I can understand your frustration. But to suggest that because you had a bad run or several players do that they should not be Accredited is absurd.

I can also tell you that just because you had a win at Rushmore there will be 5 threads or complaints that people are losing to your 1 win.

Just to add, for me personally I can 200 spins+ on any casino software and not hit a feature,freespins etc e.g MGS,3Dice etc.

as for b&m being different I'am still not convinced on this yet, Might just be my personal experience but I can go on just as bad a run there than online.
No feature not winning more than 10x bet. Not to mention our slots over here are usually set to a worse RTP to online slots ( if you believe what is posted )

Anyway I think I'am ranting so that will be all.

Cheers
Matt
 
Good points made here and I would add that as Mattsgame is stating the criteria for being Accredited, I think should just cover the assurance of "if", you win, you will get paid, timely and reasonable and what ever else goes along with being accredited.
This is a way of separating the paying casinos, regarding wins, from the non paying.

As far as how the play is for the player individually, well this is between the casino and the player. If you buy a product and aren't happy with it, then return, or never buy it again.

I am not saying this to jump to the other side of the fence, just have seen from my short time here that our complaints, that are legitimate, will never be resolved. So one by one, I had eliminated the casinos from my computer and my life. I will rarely go back and play a small amount, but the casinos could have been getting more from me as they would with all players.

So it all boils down to, do they care what we think about the return, I say no, as long as players play and keep paying in to a one sided system, then why should they change? It's works for them, so who cares if it works for us as long as others continue to believe gambling is a righteous venture.

I was talking to my mother in laws nurse today and she was telling me about what she had learned from an employee at the local land based casino here. He said that everytime a player uses the club card, it resets the machines, when a player comes to a machine that the previous player was at and plays without the club card, then the machine continues building the play as if it were on the previous player. She and her family stopped using the card and have had much better success at playing.

So for land based, we players that use the club cards are sharking ourselves, by resetting the machine everytime you slip it in the slot.

With online casinos, who knows what they do, but it's like it resets constantly and we have to start all over again everytime we log on or get booted or get updates or what ever.

The trend these days has taken a different direction in the way the freespin and bonus rounds now play. Freespin rounds and Bonus rounds used to mean something, now all they mean is a few spins you don't have to pay for, that's your instant reward.


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Mavin1: Good points made here and I would add that as Mattsgame is stating the criteria for being Accredited, I think should just cover the assurance of "if", you win, you will get paid, timely and reasonable and what ever else goes along with being accredited.
This is a way of separating the paying casinos, regarding wins, from the non paying.

As far as how the play is for the player individually, well this is between the casino and the player. If you buy a product and aren't happy with it, then return, or never buy it again.
Yes, Mavin, excellent point made which I should have added too. I also believe that being accredited only gives you a sense of assurance you will be paid....if you should ever win again... even if I feel that even they (the accredited) have one foot on land and the other on the slippery slope of ruin with thier actions of todays (recently)...

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I was talking to my mother in laws nurse today and she was telling me about what she had learned from an employee at the local land based casino here. He said that everytime a player uses the club card, it resets the machines, when a player comes to a machine that the previous player was at and plays without the club card, then the machine continues building the play as if it were on the previous player. She and her family stopped using the card and have had much better success at playing.

So for land based, we players that use the club cards are sharking ourselves, by resetting the machine everytime you slip it in the slot.

Thank you for this. I asked this question earlier this summer, and no one replied, so I am glad to get this confirmed. I suspected as much.
 
I was talking to my mother in laws nurse today and she was telling me about what she had learned from an employee at the local land based casino here. He said that everytime a player uses the club card, it resets the machines, when a player comes to a machine that the previous player was at and plays without the club card, then the machine continues building the play as if it were on the previous player. She and her family stopped using the card and have had much better success at playing.

So for land based, we players that use the club cards are sharking ourselves, by resetting the machine everytime you slip it in the slot.

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Sorry, but this assumption is incorrect. Clubcards / Loyalty Cards are primarily used for the purpose of 'Player Tracking'. The Club / Loyalty card will be an indication of how much your drop and turnover actually is. It is pretty much the same as an account number online. It gives the Casino an indication of their most valuable players and hence they are able to reward them accordingly.

A clubcard is inserted into a Player Tracking Unit (PTU). The primary function of the PTU is to send information to the database and log the amount of play you have made for reporting and reward purposes. The PTU also acts as a mechanism to transfer credits to and from a player card and machine.

A Machines Cycle can in no way be influenced by the PTU. The EPROM (Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory) in a machine contains the coding for the game type and payouts. The Theoretical Hold percentage of a Slot machine, game type, its outcomes and any features are solely reliant on the Machines chipset and are NOT influenced by any external factors.

There are external factors that can reward a player (i.e. Mystery Jackpots) which are not dependant on the machine itself.

By not using your card, you are not giving the Casino a FAIR indication of your actual spend.

I hope this clears any misconception that people may have regarding club cards?

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I played at my first online casino earlier this year, so I don't have any experience from earlier years, but by the sounds of it I really wish I would have tried it out years ago.

I have done way better at online casinos than I ever have at B&Ms. I've had to "calmly" storm out of a B&M a few times, before smashing a slot machine or something, just being utterly frustrated at the lack of play time and features.

Some days I felt like walking in the doors with a wad of money, throwing it at them saying "Just take it" and walking out, would save money on drinks that way. :rolleyes:

I've also never hit anything over $1000 on a $2-$3 spin at a B&M, happened to me twice online in just a few months - $1500 on a $3 spin and $1200 on a $2.50 spin.

Not saying I've never had a decent night at a B&M, and not saying I haven't had bad runs at online casinos. BTW, perfect wording kuschman, bad runs make you feel the same as 'bad runs'. :D

Maybe I've just been unlucky at B&Ms and lucky online, but that tells me luck has everything to do with it. You hear many stories of people losing their shirt at B&Ms, why should online casinos be any different?

This is all just from my point of view, maybe online casinos did pay out better in past years (to get people coming back?), and have since reduced the overall RTP. I have no idea, I can only go by my experience this year.
 
{Derail}

Sorry, but this assumption is incorrect. Clubcards / Loyalty Cards are primarily used for the purpose of 'Player Tracking'. The Club / Loyalty card will be an indication of how much your drop and turnover actually is. It is pretty much the same as an account number online. It gives the Casino an indication of their most valuable players and hence they are able to reward them accordingly.

A clubcard is inserted into a Player Tracking Unit (PTU). The primary function of the PTU is to send information to the database and log the amount of play you have made for reporting and reward purposes. The PTU also acts as a mechanism to transfer credits to and from a player card and machine.

A Machines Cycle can in no way be influenced by the PTU. The EPROM (Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory) in a machine contains the coding for the game type and payouts. The Theoretical Hold percentage of a Slot machine, game type, its outcomes and any features are solely reliant on the Machines chipset and are NOT influenced by any external factors.

There are external factors that can reward a player (i.e. Mystery Jackpots) which are not dependant on the machine itself.

By not using your card, you are not giving the Casino a FAIR indication of your actual spend.

I hope this clears any misconception that people may have regarding club cards?

{/Derail}



No assumption, but the purpose you state the cards are for is perfectly true. However, some will always think a chemtrail is just a contrail and won't be convinced otherwise. So my passing on what I have learned about the club cards unspoken purpose is nothing more than that, people can take it or leave it.
People use the cards for building comps and perks and this is what they do, so many won't care whether or not the use of them resets the machines, they only care about the rewards they will get for using them. Just like many don't care how much money they lose to casinos, they still continue to play.

Examine the types of complaints, especially the ones regarding players being bumped off an online casino when having a good run, then when they login back in, the good run is over. Sounds like a reset to me. Again just my opinion, but to players that will never be vindicated regarding the RTP, the proof is in the play and we really don't need anymore evidence than that anyways.

As for the B&M's, I cannot prove the cards reset the machines, no more than you can prove to me that it is just and assumption.
JMO
 
The issue seems to be across all RTG casinos. I have made 102 deposits and have had similar poor results. Rather than complain I have let the casinos know how I feel by not making any further deposits. There is no point in playing where you are losing too much, or are otherwise uncomfortable. Rather than speculate as to why, simply don't play. I'm going on 3 months now and have not deposited.
 
The issue seems to be across all RTG casinos. I have made 102 deposits and have had similar poor results. Rather than complain I have let the casinos know how I feel by not making any further deposits. There is no point in playing where you are losing too much, or are otherwise uncomfortable. Rather than speculate as to why, simply don't play. I'm going on 3 months now and have not deposited.

Have you still not had any cashouts since your random jackpot wins?
 
Would any of the 'personal RTP' subscribers care to elaborate on how this great RTG masterplan works I.e. implementation, when it activates, how one can tell they are playing the losing version.

Not only would this be educational and informative for everyone, it may also help us spend our money more wisely.


Nah, you wouldn't believe us anyway. :p
 
Would any of the 'personal RTP' subscribers care to elaborate on how this great RTG masterplan works I.e. implementation, when it activates, how one can tell they are playing the losing version.

Not only would this be educational and informative for everyone, it may also help us spend our money more wisely.

Just to humor Nifty:D

First of all, those with CTS prefer to call it "global RTP"

Since you do not have a subscription, CTS is short for Conspiracy Theory Syndrome. This is basically the scientific term for what happens when there is no logical explanation for defying the laws of probability in a gambling setting. At times I tend to use this term when im pissed off because I busted out to quick...but hey, thats just me:p

Anyways, there is a belief that your RTP is being calculated and monitored (and possibly adjusted) across the entire software platform, not just at one particular casino. So if you keep winning and find your RTP well over the 100% mark....it is likely that in order to balance things out, you will experience heavy losses across all RTG casinos, not the few where you had great luck.

I am actually feeling the opposite affect of this, as I have had extraordinary luck at all RTG's this year....maybe in an attempt to balance out the $25,000+ in losses I have experienced since 2004.

So how can you spend your money more wisely Nifty? After a big win at an RTG casino, stop playing RTG altogether for awhile and choose another software.

****DISCLAIMER****

This is more than likely just BS, but if nothing is questioned, and we just accept everything at face value, this would be a pretty boring forum.
 
Hey, throw me in with the conspiracy theriosts (is that a word?):D but I won around $11,500 at 2 RTG's last year (which isn't near 40K) but I haven't had a cashout since. I was also winning on a regular basis at Rival (not all the time but at least a couple of withdrawals a month). Last few months 0, zip, nada not even close so I gave them up about 6 weeks ago.

And in my opinion a conspiracy is something shared by a few people....when you have a "group" with the same idea it has become mainstream thought.
 
Would any of the 'personal RTP' subscribers care to elaborate on how this great RTG masterplan works I.e. implementation, when it activates, how one can tell they are playing the losing version.

Not only would this be educational and informative for everyone, it may also help us spend our money more wisely.

Silly Man! You are playing the "losing version" if you are losing!! :p
 
Nah, you wouldn't believe us anyway. :p

I assume you are being a smartass due to the fact that you can't come up with anything - seems fairly pointless otherwise. If you can't win the argument or present a logic or fact-based opinion, just take the low road and make it personal. :thumbsup:

It's such shame that people have to become so childish. It was a legitimate question and at least funeral had a stab at it so thankyou for taking the time.

It is also quite pathetic to see others using the thanks button for a post that was clearly taking a cheap shot at someone else, especially considering the recent discussion about abusing the privilege. Nice one.

Also, it is clear that some of you don't want to debate the facts and would rather hang their hat on what someone's friends' friend told them or their own suspicions of why they lose (as opposed to the reason that anyone else loses) - which is fine, but if you are going to put opinions like this out in public then you should expect some contrary views. I guess I shall have to look to other threads for some serious adult discussion.

It's always fun in the sandpit until someone poops in it.

P.S. As far as conspiracies are concerned, it is estimated about 25% of the US believes 911 was likely to have been a government conspiracy. Should we give them serious creedence due to the number of people involved?
 
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I assume you are being a smartass due to the fact that you can't come up with anything - seems fairly pointless otherwise. If you can't win the argument or present a logic or fact-based opinion, just take the low road and make it personal. :thumbsup:

It's such shame that people have to become so childish. It was a legitimate question and at least funeral had a stab at it so thankyou for taking the time.

It is also quite pathetic to see others using the thanks button for a post that was clearly taking a cheap shot at someone else, especially considering the recent discussion about abusing the privilege. Nice one.

Also, it is clear that some of you don't want to debate the facts and would rather hang their hat on what someone's friends' friend told them or their own suspicions of why they lose (as opposed to the reason that anyone else loses) - which is fine, but if you are going to put opinions like this out in public then you should expect some contrary views. I guess I shall have to look to other threads for some serious adult discussion.

It's always fun in the sandpit until someone poops in it.


Oh please Nifty :rolleyes:

I have a sense of humor, it's fine if you don't have the same kind as me, but if you consider that humorous remark a cheap shot, then you should re-read your quote, then re-read my remark.

Could you please point me to the part that offended you so bad?

Also, I know this....
Would any of the 'personal RTP' subscribers care to elaborate on how this great RTG masterplan works I.e. implementation, when it activates, how one can tell they are playing the losing version.

Not only would this be educational and informative for everyone, it may also help us spend our money more wisely.
was sarcasm on your part, please don't insult my intelligence by making it seem that was a honest question. It was a jab at people that are saying things have changed, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
 
I assume you are being a smartass due to the fact that you can't come up with anything - seems fairly pointless otherwise. If you can't win the argument or present a logic or fact-based opinion, just take the low road and make it personal. :thumbsup:

It's such shame that people have to become so childish. It was a legitimate question and at least funeral had a stab at it so thankyou for taking the time.

It is also quite pathetic to see others using the thanks button for a post that was clearly taking a cheap shot at someone else, especially considering the recent discussion about abusing the privilege. Nice one.

Also, it is clear that some of you don't want to debate the facts and would rather hang their hat on what someone's friends' friend told them or their own suspicions of why they lose (as opposed to the reason that anyone else loses) - which is fine, but if you are going to put opinions like this out in public then you should expect some contrary views. I guess I shall have to look to other threads for some serious adult discussion.

It's always fun in the sandpit until someone poops in it.

Hey Nifty, perhaps you remember this post:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/i-cant-believe-i-fell-for-rtg-tactics.40610/

I felt SlotsLover took a cheap shot at me from my previous post....and all I was doing was stating my facts and experience...but yet he went on to say that I must be some stupid compulsive gambler. You felt the need to thank that post:(

At any rate, I think just play meant that in all good fun (thats the way I took it anyhow)....and i didnt thank their post because I thought they were taking a cheap shot at you, or because you felt the need to thank a post that IMO took a cheap shot at me....it just made me laugh....and you are known to usually take the casinos side on most issues concerning fairness..And hey, nothing wrong with that at all....we all need a slap every now and then to bring us back to reality:thumbsup:

So hope your post wasn't directed at me, because I most certaintly do not abuse the thanks button (I read 90% of all posts here....and you can see my number of thanks for yourself.....I just don't use that button too often).

Anyways....don't mean to offend anyone if I indeed did.
 
conspiracy theriosts

may i join the club??
i had some good wins last year, nothing huge though but i was ahead overall since i started playing. I had not have any cashouts in 6 monts and just made one at rushmore (not very big one but just for the sake of it) and then nothing again. No play-time with hardly any features for months! Looks like all RTG casinos tagged me as a loser. :mad:
 
Nifty29: It is also quite pathetic to see others using the thanks button for a post that was clearly taking a cheap shot at someone else, especially considering the recent discussion about abusing the privilege. Nice one.
I do not see any "thanks" on any post but funeral979, which I JUST did before reading your reply above. So my thanks was AFTER your beef with the thanks button...I see NO thanks anywhere prior to the one I just did...interesting.. ...
funeral979: Hey Nifty, perhaps you remember this post:

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I felt SlotsLover took a cheap shot at me from my previous post....and all I was doing was stating my facts and experience...but yet he went on to say that I must be some stupid compulsive gambler. You felt the need to thank that post
Once again I find it is ok for you to not follow your own advice and complaints against others.. Only everyone else must do what you demand, but this same does not apply to you....does it?
funeral979: Just to humor Nifty

First of all, those with CTS prefer to call it "global RTP"

Since you do not have a subscription, CTS is short for Conspiracy Theory Syndrome. This is basically the scientific term for what happens when there is no logical explanation for defying the laws of probability in a gambling setting. At times I tend to use this term when im pissed off because I busted out to quick...but hey, thats just me
Because funeral was explaining something is what they were thanked for from me just to ease your mind..btw...
just play:Also, I know this....
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Would any of the 'personal RTP' subscribers care to elaborate on how this great RTG masterplan works I.e. implementation, when it activates, how one can tell they are playing the losing version.

Not only would this be educational and informative for everyone, it may also help us spend our money more wisely.



was sarcasm on your part, please don't insult my intelligence by making it seem that was a honest question. It was a jab at people that are saying things have changed, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
As I said, it seems it is ok for you to be fecitious and sarcastic at times but when others try to inject humor...you are all up in arms..I find that very, very sad...I also failed to remember that one most ALWAYS post in general terms when replying to anything you post otherwise you will go running off claiming one thing or another about "personalizing" the issue...which usually isn't the case at all...and that might be called paranoia in my book...I believe..
Nifty29: I assume you are being a smartass due to the fact that you can't come up with anything - seems fairly pointless otherwise. If you can't win the argument or present a logic or fact-based opinion, just take the low road and make it personal.

It's such shame that people have to become so childish. It was a legitimate question and at least funeral had a stab at it so thankyou for taking the time.
Interesting isn't it...how you can turn it around and all is ok to call someone a name and become personal when it is you doing it...but not when it is aimed at you...yes...it is interesting...

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Nifty29: I assume you are being a smartass due to the fact that you can't come up with anything - seems fairly pointless otherwise. If you can't win the argument or present a logic or fact-based opinion, just take the low road and make it personal.

It's such shame that people have to become so childish. It was a legitimate question and at least funeral had a stab at it so thankyou for taking the time.

(Silc).....Interesting isn't it...how you can turn it around and all is ok to call someone a name and become personal when it is you doing it...but not when it is aimed at you...yes...it is interesting...

Yes, that's the part I really didn't get? Lets see for the record, I said you wouldn't believe us anyway and Nifty said...smartass, I can't come up with anything, childish

LMAO...now who is taking shots at who here? Some people think they can rearrange words in a way that makes things seem one way, but most people on this board can decipher what the hell is really going on.
 
I assume you are being a smartass due to the fact that you can't come up with anything - seems fairly pointless otherwise. If you can't win the argument or present a logic or fact-based opinion, just take the low road and make it personal. :thumbsup:

It's such shame that people have to become so childish. It was a legitimate question and at least funeral had a stab at it so thankyou for taking the time.

It is also quite pathetic to see others using the thanks button for a post that was clearly taking a cheap shot at someone else, especially considering the recent discussion about abusing the privilege. Nice one.

Also, it is clear that some of you don't want to debate the facts and would rather hang their hat on what someone's friends' friend told them or their own suspicions of why they lose (as opposed to the reason that anyone else loses) - which is fine, but if you are going to put opinions like this out in public then you should expect some contrary views. I guess I shall have to look to other threads for some serious adult discussion.

It's always fun in the sandpit until someone poops in it.

P.S. As far as conspiracies are concerned, it is estimated about 25% of the US believes 911 was likely to have been a government conspiracy. Should we give them serious creedence due to the number of people involved?



As was stated by Funeral, the thank you on Just Plays comment was not a stab at you other than the fact that you do chastize those of us that don't fit into the horaah catagory. I myself would have said the same thing had I thought of it, it was said in fun and that is the way it should have been taken.

No one here with an opinion or a thought on how things work or doesn't work is childish or pathetic, we just don't all think or perceive things the same way.

I have had plenty of criticism to some of my posts and I don't take it personaly anymore, because I have learned that we don't all fit into the same box and that is why we as thinking beings are unique.

On a forum where you have people from many lifestyles, cultures and affiliations, you have a wide range of differing opinions and this is why a forum is interesting, again as Funeral has pointed out.

Here we have basically 3 types that post, those that are affiliated, those that believe all is transparent and those that aren't ready to believe everything.
I know I fit into the last catagory as I tend to be sceptical about a lot of things, this is because I am your average player, that has no affiliation and no knowledge of the true inner workings.

So those in catagory 1 that are affiliated in some way, will never be able to look at things the same way they did before they became affiliated. The one exception and I'm sure there are others, is KK, Kasino King, he still keeps that balance of being connected with being a regular joe player and I have never seen him being offended or so defensive one way or another.

The ones that aren't connected in catagory 2 will still carry the banner, bless them all the same, for they still see a light of truth where there may be none.

For the last catagory, maybe we are not as patient as some and feel that 100
deposits that yeild nothing is wrong, so whats wrong with that, it's just an opinion and it's not an isolated opinion.

Last night I decided to play my favorite slot, Fandango, at Rome, deposited $49, have a balance of $552, 3 hours of play, triggered the freespins about 13+ times. Am I bragging, no, just stating that we don't always lose. So our opinions are not a total losers opinion.

But to think we in catagory 3 are just pissed because we are losers is silly. We do win, but we also realize the winnings have cost us way more now than they did before.

I will not play RTG or Rival anymore and am seriously thinking of not playing the US MG anymore as well. Why, because I don't enjoy softwares that have forgotten the value of all their customers.

So to think we are childish or pathetic because we thank someone for a laugh or a thought we ourselves had is not fair on you part either. I recall the thread I had going last year (Exterminating the Lowroller) where you made fun of it, then I was offended, but later decided that is just you and saw it for the fun you were making the thread to be, rather than carry a grudge.

So please keep in mind, unless we are calling you or anyone else a "hairy wart on a tramps nipple", as I have been referred to, directly, we are not taking cheap shots at you.

I do not say all this because of not liking or respecting you, because I do both like and respect you very much, maybe it's because your in Australia, or have the name Nifty, or have some great opinions. But I and others will always have differing opinions and can still be friends, not childishly, but realistically.

So who poops in who's sandpit? Well we all have to poop once in awhile, even you, my friend Nifty. Yes I said "friend", because despite your constant chastizing, you still feel like a friend to me. And when we play in the same playground, sometimes we will kick sand in each others faces, if it has poop in it, it goes with the territory. :D
 
To everyone in this thread:

Yesterday I over-reacted to what was obviously meant to be tongue-in-cheek comments about the question I was posing. I'm not really sure why, but I was having a particularly bad day on a personal level and I allowed that to cloud my judgement. I am able to have a laugh like anyone and on another day I probably would have just sighed and tried to be funnier.

The question I asked was done with a hint of sarcasm which doesnt help in stimulating proper debate, however it was actually a legitimate one in terms of content and I would still be happy to have someone address it if they have the inclination.

I know that some of you think I am some kind of casino shill or something, but I can assure you I am completely unconnected to any operator of any kind. As a regular player of many years, I have seen the ups and downs of gambling and IMO they are no different today to what they were 5 years ago - in fact, my results are better the past 2 years than the previous 2 years, and this is why I am wondering why I am doing better than many others. I still maintain that having a strict routine to ones wagering and good bankroll management provides an extra edge, and (from what I read here) it seems that many do not see this as relevant and insist that the RTPs are falling all the time. Well, who know? Maybe they are? The minute someone shows me clear evidence, I am onboard. However, just because a player 'cant win' or 'cant cashout' does not mean that the payouts have been reduced - the other factors I have mentioned, along with game choice and bonus use and even bet size can have an enormous impact on the bottom line.

Anyway, I apologise for being so easily offended and derailing the thread.
 
Well now I have gone and forgotten the question, but Nifty, it's all good, we all have our bad days and sometimes it just spills over into things. But being a community where we get to know one another makes it much easier to see it for that, you're human just like the rest of us.

Now putting aside the general gripe of RTP, which is a pointless debate anymore. Here's my take on things.

I have found that for most RTG, I cannot get anywhere monitarily and I never use bonuses either. Doesn't matter if it is an accredited casino or rogue, they all play the same.

So if you are a small depositor like myself and are playing a large platform, that is coming close to being compared to MG for the amount of games, you will have a much tougher time finding that few games that are in the hot mode. I always was broke before finding them, but knew it had to be some of the ones I wasn't able to get to before running out of money.

The fact that some players have good things happening simply means they were lucky enough to hit the games that were hot on that session. Any and all casinos has it cold games and hot games, which is I guess is how RTP works, it's up and down in a range that will still equal out overall the 97% or whatever range they advertise.

I think of it like a flock of birds and a shotgun, you shoot, the shot comes out of the shell and scatters, maybe hitting some birds but also missing some, maybe even bringing one or two down. This is what I picture with casinos, they are the birds and we are the shot, some of us are missing the birds while others hit them.

So I personaly have quit playing for the most part, but do still very occasionly go back and try out a couple casinos. One of which I play at is Top Games Rome casino, why, because it has a smaller amount of games to choose from thus increasing my chances of finding the games that are in the paying mood and this doesn't happen every deposit either, even on a small platform.

Keep in mind, Top Game is not an accredited group, but I have found that although they are slow to pay, I have had better luck with them over all the other softwares. This is not to say I will cashout everytime, but I have cashed out more here than anywhere all put together. I also won't play any Top Game casinos but Thebes and Rome, only because I have established myself with them.

So no matter what platform you choose to play, you will have positives and negatives at any of them. Then you have to decide if the negative is outweighing the positive, if it is, then shop around and find a casino that balances out the give and take, that is within reason for your perception of what you are expecting overall.

One just has to keep in mind, the higher number of games to choose from, the harder it can be to find the games that are in the give mode. For a casino to advertise a RTP%, it is an overall percentage, obviously not for every game and every day. One day this group may be in the higher RTP range, tomorrow it may be another group, but the overall % for all the games RTP would still I suppose, be as advertised.

The thing I think has changed is the way the freespin and bonus rounds play, they used to be the hot mode of the game, where the player was always rewarded, now don't beat me up for thinking this, but now they more than likely play no differently than regular mode.

The other thing that has changed that maybe makes many players feel the RTP has been lowered is the fact that so many games have been added over the years, making the playing field bigger and harder to find the ones that are hot today and the ones that are hot tomorrow. Fact is, we won't find the hot games everyday, no matter what platform you choose. Even if you are playing a large platform like MG or RTG, you may miss the hot games many deposits, again and again.

So yes, I conceede, that the RTP has not changed, but the number of games has definately increased compared to several years ago and this is what has changed a players perception and chances in the return. Like a rollercoaster, not all of the track is on the high parts, it has its dips as well. JMO
 
Some good points Mavin.

I play RTG a little different than I do other platforms, due to the high number of video slots they offer. I have my favorites, but I never JUST play my favorites....because, like you, I am looking for that big payout on a hot slot.
There are a few RTG slots that I absolutely detest, but i still play them. Thats the cool thing about RTG....any of their slots, even the crappy ones, have POTENTIAL.

When I play RTG, I start at the very top....with Achilles. I play between 4-10 spins, never more never less. If I dont get anything after the first 4, I move on down the list. Hit Aladdins Wishes...repeat. All the way down to Year of the Dragon. I don't play the network progessives though.

This way, even with a smallish deposit...I usually get at least halfway down the list...occasionally cycling thru a few times. If I make a second go around, I skip the slots that I hit a feature on, even if it paid crap.

If my balance drops below a certain acceptable level, then I go hit blackjack and try to recoup my losses. This work about 80% of the time. The other 20% I am broke.

So there is my formula for trying to hit as many of their slots as I can hoping to hit the big win. I never, ever deviate from this....why? I don't know.....sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...but I feel I get a good run for my money this way.
 
Actually that isnt a bad system Funeral. I dont play BJ online but maybe Ill give it a shot this weekend like you described. It just seems there are so many threads about dodgy online BJ that it makes me wonder if it is just another slot in disguise.

Do you play the 'golden ox' and 'year of fortune'? Those slots just never seem to hit. Seems a waste of time having slots like that with relatively small jackpots (in comparison) going off like once a year or something.
 
Actually that isnt a bad system Funeral. I dont play BJ online but maybe Ill give it a shot this weekend like you described. It just seems there are so many threads about dodgy online BJ that it makes me wonder if it is just another slot in disguise.

Do you play the 'golden ox' and 'year of fortune'? Those slots just never seem to hit. Seems a waste of time having slots like that with relatively small jackpots (in comparison) going off like once a year or something.

Well you will probably find me in most of those threads regarding dodgy online blackjack. I still maintain that it is RTP based...but that doesn't mean you cant make a decent profit on it here and there. Or that I am way off base. Lets just say you should be careful when you get your bets over $50 or so.

I do play both of those slots, and have probably only had one good hit on each one (by one good hit I mean 100x +) Come to think of it, I play the Ox one alot less...since you have to play $1....and I skip Medal Tally and the Reindeer one also unless I have a good enough bankroll. I don't make $1 spins until I reach a balance of $125 (which is probably pretty agressive to some), and I don't make $2 wagers until I reach a balance of $320. And if I ever get my balance to $900+ thats when i go to $5/$6.25

Don't ask me where i got those numbers from, I just decided one day thats how its going to be:p
 
Everysite seems tight

I was a dep member on club world,but now they seem to be screweing with me and i still have no answers.Does this make sence?I been member for a few years or more.Dep lots,win little (tight games)Now they say thier prosesser ban my cc so i can't dep anymore.They say i have issue with my card.Funny becouse i talked to my bank and they see no problems nor have i had any with my card.I'm on every RTG Site and can dep everywhere else execpt Club world group now. Mybe they are pissed becouse i still feel i won 15,000 on a random jackpot,but they said the error i got was not becouse of win.So i got nothing,yet i have received this same error after winning a random jackpot on other sites.Was told its common.There way of not paying us.Anyway I stopped playing on rogue sites for ones that are on the list here,well there just the same to me now.Inet bet is crap,jackpot capital is tighter then my Arse,club world just playing a game with me,rogue sites paY just takes months.Intertops casino is a joke as far as i'm concerned.Can;'t wait till las vegas nv goes online.Will be better and won't need this bullshit.


Has anyone noticed how tight the slots are at Club World Casinos. I thought these guys were accredited with the Meister and from what I remember they even have a rep on here. How is this possible? Does anyone ever have any luck on there?

I have been playing with them for a couple months and I do have to say that they have been pretty amazing at customer service. Whats troubling however is going 200 spins without hitting bonus features. When I put on autospin and hit nothing within 200 spins you know something ain't right.

How in Gods name are these guys accredited? Even when you do hit a feature it seems like no matter what you wager, the win is always between 1 buck and 30 bucks. I cannot even count the number of times I've wagered a buck or more and the feature has yielded NOTHING. The features suck, the wins suck, the service is great, but good customer service isn't fun to spend.

Anyone else finding this to be true? I had WAYYYYYYY better luck playing at Rushmore Casino and they aren't even accredited. At least there I won.
 
Why do you do that?

I don't know about anyone else....but when I see posts like Cobra's I will skip right over them....simply for the fact that I find it unreadable.

Not only is there no paragraphs...there is no spacing period. He finishes a sentence with a period, but then doesn't even leave a space before he starts the next sentence. The whole thing becomes just one huge run-on jumble. Nifty used the term alphabet soup in another thread to describe another post...and I find that extremely apt. That is EXACTLY what that post looks like to me....just a bunch of letters all squeezed together.

People never use to write like this. I don't know if it's the internet that makes people lazy, but it's getting worse. I don't believe that everyone has to write perfectly, but basic grammar skills and at least being able to write something that's legible, shouldn't be too much to ask of anyone.
 
I meant, why does he feel the need to correct everyone all the time.

Well IMO if someone wants some help or opinions etc (a common reason people post here) then they can at least take 30 seconds to spell check or make it readable. I don't think that is too much to ask.

You may notice I don't apply this to anyone who is obviously not a natural English speaker.

If you don't care then that's your perogative.
 
Well IMO if someone wants some help or opinions etc (a common reason people post here) then they can at least take 30 seconds to spell check or make it readable. I don't think that is too much to ask.

You may notice I don't apply this to anyone who is obviously not a natural English speaker.

If you don't care then that's your perogative.


Maybe people who type like that think it is readable. Nope, I don't care how a person types, it's what they say I care about. The way you did it is simply putting someone down, plain and simple. Forget so quickly of your post from the other day. What about a PM? Or, "Joe Blow can you please use paragraphs in your next post your last one was hard to read"?

I don't notice much about you, except that you make many corrections.


*Sorry for the derail people*
 
I was a dep member on club world,but now they seem to be screweing with me and i still have no answers.Does this make sence?I been member for a few years or more.Dep lots,win little (tight games)Now they say thier prosesser ban my cc so i can't dep anymore.They say i have issue with my card.Funny becouse i talked to my bank and they see no problems nor have i had any with my card.I'm on every RTG Site and can dep everywhere else execpt Club world group now. Mybe they are pissed becouse i still feel i won 15,000 on a random jackpot,but they said the error i got was not becouse of win.So i got nothing,yet i have received this same error after winning a random jackpot on other sites.Was told its common.There way of not paying us.Anyway I stopped playing on rogue sites for ones that are on the list here,well there just the same to me now.Inet bet is crap,jackpot capital is tighter then my Arse,club world just playing a game with me,rogue sites paY just takes months.Intertops casino is a joke as far as i'm concerned.Can;'t wait till las vegas nv goes online.Will be better and won't need this bullshit.


I am curious about the $15k random you say you weren't awarded because of an error. I would be going mad on that. What happened, did you PAB?

The iffy part of US casinos going online, it may be a good thing and then again, we could be in for a rude awakening. I am not getting my hopes up until I see it. So no burning bridges just yet.
 
I was a dep member on club world,but now they seem to be screweing with me and i still have no answers.Does this make sence?I been member for a few years or more.Dep lots,win little (tight games)Now they say thier prosesser ban my cc so i can't dep anymore.They say i have issue with my card.Funny becouse i talked to my bank and they see no problems nor have i had any with my card.I'm on every RTG Site and can dep everywhere else execpt Club world group now. Mybe they are pissed becouse i still feel i won 15,000 on a random jackpot,but they said the error i got was not becouse of win.So i got nothing,yet i have received this same error after winning a random jackpot on other sites.Was told its common.There way of not paying us.Anyway I stopped playing on rogue sites for ones that are on the list here,well there just the same to me now.Inet bet is crap,jackpot capital is tighter then my Arse,club world just playing a game with me,rogue sites paY just takes months.Intertops casino is a joke as far as i'm concerned.Can;'t wait till las vegas nv goes online.Will be better and won't need this bullshit.

Sorry, but my grandkids can type better than this. Anyways, after trying to decipher through the poor punctuation and bad grammar, I have to wonder...

If you truly feel this way, then why bother playing? Honestly, I think/feel sometimes some people just love negativity. Did you PAB (Pitch-A-Bitch) over the random jackpot issue? This is one of the reasons playing at an accreditted casino can be advantageous for you the player. Being on the list means they must have a set of standards they must adhere to. Having said that, you now have people in your corner to help fight for your cause (as long as it is a valid claim).
 
How in Gods name are these guys accredited?

I am also asking it all the time :D

For me they are not less Rogue than the Rouge ones. Because what you gain on the trustable support, you will loose that advantage on the payout. Some casinos rip you off by untrustable customer service and non payment. ClubWorld has very good srevice, but tight slots. They rip you off, too, but in the elengant way;)

Anyway I don't mind if they remain accredited. Until the opinions about them are accessible in the forum, it is not a problem for me.
 

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