Bwin kicking Canadian players out of the long-lasting tournament?

[Bagalya]

Jasminebed, thanks again.

Like I said, it is a weird situation. There seems to be no valid reason for PABbing, as we are still able to login and play. What would we blame them in? Misinforming us about the casino closure? Lacking proffecient support personnel? That does not sound like much.

On the other hand, if we wait too long and they do close us casino access too soon before Tour 16 we will be in trouble.

So I guess for now I will just keep sending them emails. At least for this week.

[Vetal]

Here's a bwin reply:

Thank you for your e-mail. We apologise for the delay in responding to your query.

We regret to inform you that in light of the recent announcements by the British Columbia Lottery Corporation, Loto-Québec and the Atlantic Lottery Corporation regarding the launch of regulated online gaming products in Canada our Download Casino vendor, GTECH G2, has decided to block Canadian Users from using their software. Only operators licensed by the Canadian authorities will be permitted to offer online gaming products to Canadian residents.

We regret to inform you that we have to follow this decision and that the block is effective since 24.09.2010 onwards.

As your access to the Download Casino and therefore to the Grand Prix BlackJack Tournament has been terminated by an external legal issue, we are not able to allow you to continue playing within this tournament. We regret that as this is due to an alteration within the Law in Canada, we are not able to compensate participating users.

We are sorry to provide the following Terms and Conditions of this bonus to you:

- In case of disputes, the decision of the Casino Management shall be considered unconditional and final.

- Legal recourse is excluded. There is no entitlement to damages.

https://www.bwin.com/epage.aspx?aid=34213

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any further queries.

Kind regards,

[Jasminebed]

Well, it seems they have made their position clear. I think it might be time to PAB.

I'd be interested in what "laws" have been altered. There is quite of bit of Canada that is not offered gaming from those provincial regulatory bodies.

[jetset]

I find it remarkable that once again an online gambling company - GTechG2 as parent group of Boss Media - has not deigned to reply to legitimate questions from players regarding a matter of clear interest - especially to Canadians.

Boss Media is apparently responsible for unilaterally imposing this ban, without any consultation or explanation, yet it leaves its licensees to provide answers rather than explaining its actions itself.

This company was twice asked to comment on this thread and simply did not respond - imo unacceptable and uncommunicative behaviour grrrrr

[Vetal]

Today I found that I can't log in to the download casino any more. Also bwin didn't give me any points for the last tournament (I get 15 points). I sent them couple of email and get the only reply that you are no longer a participant of this tournament, we will update your points at the end of all tournaments but you'll get nothing anyway.
If anyone have similar situation please PM or email me.

[Vetal]

Here are some updates:

1. PAB resulted in nothing. Bwin told Max something like that they are not even going to discuss it with him

2. A week after Bwin offered me a 1000 euro compensation. Which is about 10% of what they took from me.

3. I was contacted by another Canadian who was taking the FIRST place with a 10 point lead when the Canadians were cut off. So she effectively lost 20,000 euro. She attempted to register on Casinomeister as "darfedo" but somehow it did not go through.

Yet another Canadian was in the 6th place (3000 euro prize). But he does not want to register here.


So they took at least 33,000 Euro from people. Their explanation of "not having control over it" is a lie. They had at least one month to reaccomodate the tournament from download (Bossmedia) to instant play casino (which I am still able to play in).

I will really welcome any ideas. I can also be contacted by email at vy271577(at)gmail.com

[vinylweatherman]

Here are some updates:

1. PAB resulted in nothing. Bwin told Max something like that they are not even going to discuss it with him

2. A week after Bwin offered me a 1000 euro compensation. Which is about 10% of what they took from me.

3. I was contacted by another Canadian who was taking the FIRST place with a 10 point lead when the Canadians were cut off. So she effectively lost 20,000 euro. She attempted to register on Casinomeister as "darfedo" but somehow it did not go through.

Yet another Canadian was in the 6th place (3000 euro prize). But he does not want to register here.


So they took at least 33,000 Euro from people. Their explanation of "not having control over it" is a lie. They had at least one month to reaccomodate the tournament from download (Bossmedia) to instant play casino (which I am still able to play in).

I will really welcome any ideas. I can also be contacted by email at vy271577(at)gmail.com

Why didn't they end the tournament early, and resolve the placings & pay out the prizes BEFORE the cut-off. They certainly DID have control over this.

Red Flush did EXACTLY THIS during May/June, when US players were moved to the clone software. I received an email that "unforseen circumstances" had forced them to end the scoreboard challenge early, and gave us one last weekend to play for a top place, after which the results would be declared and prizes paid.

It turns out that the original closing date would have left US players frozen out of the race, and the clone software didn't offer many of the games featured in the event.

Bwin should have done the same, and then launched a fresh tournament for non-Canadian players.

If casinos treat players like this, they should expect players to treat THEM in the same manner.

Even for those players still allowed to play, their confidence in future "long lasting tournaments" will be lower, because they will consider the possibility that they too will compete, get a top placing, only to get shafted by being thrown out before the end with little or no compensation for their performance, whilst players who performed less well with take away prize money they DIDN'T win fairly.

Since this affects only the download casino, why can't Canadian players have the prize money at least paid there, even if they can no longer participate. This would make it easily possible for Bwin to end the tournament early, but as late as possible whilst Canadian players can still play, and pay Canadians their prize monies into their non-download account, from which they can withdraw.

[Vetal]

I am glad to tell everybody that the story had a happy ending. Thanks to this forum, I got in touch with Dariya F, who is also Canadian and was taking the first place when the access was blocked. So we put our heads together and decided not to give up. We complained to everywhere we could think of: ECogra, EGBA, Sportbook Reviews, Bwin CEO, media - everything. Just made a list of whatever organizations concerned, split it, and wrote the emails.

Unfortunately it is hard to tell which of the complaints reached its goal and whether it was mine or Dariya's. But in the beginning of December both of us got a meaningful response from Bwin saying that the issue is now under investigation and asking for our patience. And then shortly before Christmas each of us got a settlement proposal. The settlement was based on the assumption of a hypothetical premature tournament ending on September 24th (download casino closure date for Canadians). So that was 14 of the 19 tours or 73% of the prize pool. Dariya was offered roughly 11000 euros for her 1st place and I was offered EUR 5475 for my 3rd place.

She signed her settlement and mailed it on the following day, and I did the same couple days after Christmas. Bwin stood by their word and Dariya already got the money in her bank account. Mine just hit the Bwin account and a wire transfer is pending.

I would like to thank everybody who posted in this thread for their wonderful suggestions. And of course the people who made this thread possible - CasinoMeister and the team. I already thanked Bwin itself for the satisfactory resolution but let me do it again here.

And to those others who are complaing about other casinos' injustice on this forum, let me say, keep it up! Keep struggling, don't give up. Sometimes it helps, and in the worst case you at least know you have done what you could. And, last but not least, you make some new friends

[gloria460]

You know what, that kinda restores my almost gone faith in online casinos to do the right thing and it couldn't have happened at a better time than Xmas!!