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[Mavin1]

The only reason Skiny's credibility isn't in question is because it's at 0. If you're going to accuse a casino of being criminals either post proof or go away.

One can say Skiny and those of us that have complained now and in the past are sore losers, need to move on if we aren't happy and so on, I don't find a problem with that. But to say a poster has "O" credibility is a personal attack because someone doesn't like what he said, that's not necessary.
Having a negative rant does not say that Skiny or anyone else is calling casinos criminals, but thinking is still stuck in that narrow vision of what a rant is.
In a previous post of mine, I stated that not allowing members to vent their frustrations of how up and down a casino can be, gives readers that may be green in the gambling field, a false perception of gambling returns at any one casino.
If you have only Kudos and praises all over the forum for Accredited casinos, then you are presenting youselves as shills of another kind. New players read these threads, run to these casinos with the idea that Accredited means hot! This is not the case, but they only learn this after playing for some time and find that no one casino is hot, but any one casino can have it hot streaks.
So I say, in forum discussions, because this is what this is, discussions about players experiences and such, not just free advertisment by the happy players, gives balance to a sometimes very unbalanced pastime.

Players new and old should be able to understand that "Accredited", means reliable and trustworthy in how they deal with the player, answering questions, keeping personal information private, paying players and paying in a timely manner and has a rep on the forum available if the need arises.

Accredited, does not mean a hot, loose casino, by any means, thus balance in discussions, should not be discouraged unless it is way out of line.

JMO

[skiny]

One can say Skiny and those of us that have complained now and in the past are sore losers, need to move on if we aren't happy and so on, I don't find a problem with that. But to say a poster has "O" credibility is a personal attack because someone doesn't like what he said, that's not necessary.
Having a negative rant does not say that Skiny or anyone else is calling casinos criminals, but thinking is still stuck in that narrow vision of what a rant is.
In a previous post of mine, I stated that not allowing members to vent their frustrations of how up and down a casino can be, gives readers that may be green in the gambling field, a false perception of gambling returns at any one casino.
If you have only Kudos and praises all over the forum for Accredited casinos, then you are presenting youselves as shills of another kind. New players read these threads, run to these casinos with the idea that Accredited means hot! This is not the case, but they only learn this after playing for some time and find that no one casino is hot, but any one casino can have it hot streaks.
So I say, in forum discussions, because this is what this is, discussions about players experiences and such, not just free advertisment by the happy players, gives balance to a sometimes very unbalanced pastime.

Players new and old should be able to understand that "Accredited", means reliable and trustworthy in how they deal with the player, answering questions, keeping personal information private, paying players and paying in a timely manner and has a rep on the forum available if the need arises.

Accredited, does not mean a hot, loose casino, by any means, thus balance in discussions, should not be discouraged unless it is way out of line.

JMO

Accredited means keeping personal information private?

[kakata]

Accredited means keeping personal information private?

supposely...

[rockycatt]

I won more than the total of all those wins at once on a RJ at a rogue RTG casino and got paid.... What was your point again?

your kidding correct with the negative 3 dice chatter im seeing

ps ')

or put me in the well

[binshakindown]

is a hell of a lot different than posting about a casino, and writing something to the effect like, casino, why don't you change the RTP? Asking a casino to "change the RTP" is in my opinion very close to asking a grocery store (or in some backwards places, a liquor store) to quit watering down the whiskey. In some places, making an accusation like this could lead to your arrest, lawsuit, or even (insert your own imagination).

For example, my luck is the worst at 3Dice. My luck so frinken sucks, I mean, wow, I couldn't even win real money off of the free money that I won during a free tournament, or even when I played a VIP tournament and won free money that I subsequently lost fast.

Stating things this way is much different and can even give the opportunity for folks to empathize with you. Why? I have been there, just as many have been as well.

I mean, I went to a town that that is trying to be a mini Reno, NV and brought a $1,000. I only played the high variance slots. The biggest win of the entire 2 days was $70 on a $2.50 a spin bet. I even played at four different casinos. I mean, crap, I lost again.

And yes it may be your and others opinion, but like they say, opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. This is true, but good advice is that one shouldn't go around showing everyone their asshole either.

The penalty to the casino for you implying the casino is not being straight up is that the casino suffers possible financial losses and could damage their hard earned good reputation. Your penalty? Not a darn thing. Well, maybe your account gets closed out. I am not saying anything that should come as a news flash to folks.

I wonder when the casinos out there are going to start holding the players accountable for their actions (and yes words have action, they are called verbs). I personally agree with what Enzo did. Remember, he did not give out anymore information than was needed. Also remember, you chose to use the public forum to hear your case. I refuse to only hear one side of the story. So my question is why not use the PAB feature? That way you could have made your case, and 3Dice could have made theirs, all while being kept out of the public view. I pose this to you a different way. There is with some amount certainty, no reputable court of law could settle your problem. Simply because this opinion, like many others are based on speculation or selective memory. What would you do in a public forum if the PAB service that has strict rules concerning discussing a case publicly was non-existent? You would openly post as you have done. Your opinion that your luck sucks is A okay with me. Your opinion that a casino is not being straight up? Prove it or put some pants on.

Some peoples lives have been trampled over by various state governments here in the US. You know why? Because some stupid neighbor turned either informant for the man or became satan for the day and decided to make false accusations about either their neighbor's or someone they knew. In one case a couples kids went into foster care for a couple months while the parents underwent shrinking, probing, and spending a lot of money to get their kids back. All based on a false accusation. The couple never knew who their accuser was/were. The couple never was charged, convicted, fined, nothing but had to spend two months of hell fighting for their kids.

As a disclaimer, I am a gambler, I love gambling, I hate losing, I love winning, I don't like to pay taxes but I do, I wish my luck would change, I am not getting paid for this post, I am not a shill, I am not on the pill, I am not an affiliate, I like 3Dice transparency, I lose at 3Dice a lot, I have won some big bucks at 3Dice, US players have even less selection to play on-line, No hard feelings .

[SlotKing]

Every time we see someone on here complaining about losing somewhere, they usually have some sort of proof that they had a bad session.

Then we have skiny.

"I lost. This casino is bad." Proof? None.

"I can't win a damn thing. This casino is pathetic." Proof? None.

"3Dice can individually set RTP's per player." Proof? None.


If you are so hell bent on destroying 3Dice's reputation skiny, with not a drop of tangible proof, you should expect without a doubt that the casino (or anyone for that matter) will do whatever they can to mitigate any damage they can. This includes posting what you call "personal account information."

However, if you would have done a little research, you would see that in section 3 of their privacy policy, at the very end, Term 4 states this:

(a) General: The information is used to: (1) Ensure that you are at least eighteen years of age, or the legal age to gamble in your applicable Jurisdiction, whichever is higher. (2) Provide our on line gambling service and process your transactions, such as your wagers or payments of any winnings. (3) Provide customer service and resolve any complaints. (4) Improve our product and service and troubleshoot any problems. (5) Communicate with you concerning the services offered on the site by 3Dice.com. (6) Ensure compliance with the Terms of Use. (7) To obtain and verify evidence of our customers identity.
(b) Disclosure to Third Parties: 3Dice.com will NOT sell or rent any of your personal information to third parties. Further, we will NOT share any of your personal information with third parties except in the limited circumstances described herein or with your express permission.
3Dice.com discloses information: (1) To companies that help process the transactions you request, protect your transactions from fraud and verify your identity. (2) That 3Dice.com feels is necessary to do investigations of fraud, other activity that is illegal or may expose us or you to legal liability, or to conduct investigations of violations of the Terms of Use. (3) To comply with legal, regulatory or administrative requirements of governmental authorities.

(4) To protect and defend 3Dice.com , its subsidiaries and employees.
....

Using the terms is not something I like doing to disapprove of behavior. But 3Dice is totally within their right to disclose limited information about your account to defend itself. Other than saying that overall you are up at the casino, what personal information did they post?

They didn't post your name.
They didn't post your address.
They didn't post your phone number.
They didn't post your deposit history.
They didn't post your withdrawal history.
They didn't post your credit/debit cards, your e-wallet details, etc.
They didn't post your (probably) hundreds of PM's and support calls all (probably) saying how you hate this place and the RTP sucks.

I re-iterate... What personal information did they post?

There is no such thing as a "per-account RTP" - if there was, don't you think, regardless of how "good" it was "hidden", that someone would eventually catch on and prove it?

You have done nothing but blow hot air and provide a ridiculously small sample size to compare your results to. Spin a million times, then come back and prove something.

BTW - I could give a rat's petutie less if you call me any name in the book. But what I am saying is the truth. If you have a problem with what I say, tough $hit.

[skiny]

binshakindown, your post is really hard to follow. I actually read it twice. I'm not really sure how some of it applies but I will say this, if you think opinions are like assholes and you'd rather not see (or hear) everyone's you probably shouldn't belong to a public forum. Personally I see opinions a little different and I was happy to hear yours.

Slotking, that was a long well thought out post but I wasn't talking about my personal information so it doesn't apply either.

There is no such thing as a "per-account RTP" - if there was, don't you think, regardless of how "good" it was "hidden", that someone would eventually catch on and prove it?

How? By saying they've had sudden long streaks of losses? People have been saying that to me for months. How do you prove that any casino is fixing the odds? You can hope that they weren't given that ability by the manufacturer since they would have nothing to gain by it. Unless you manufacture your own software.

[binshakindown]

here, including the casino reps wouldn't have a problem with that. That is an opinion. But to infer, suggest, imply that a casino can change individual RTP's or do other "inappropriate" things (to cheat the player) may still be your opinion but when publicly stated, can become an allegation, accusation, etc. that could cause you to have legal or logging in problems.

Sure, I haven't heard of any casino's suing with respect to this issue, but after this thread, who knows.

I think it is simple really.

[skiny]

here, including the casino reps wouldn't have a problem with that. That is an opinion. But to infer, suggest, imply that a casino can change individual RTP's or do other "inappropriate" things (to cheat the player) may still be your opinion but when publicly stated, can become an allegation, accusation, etc. that could cause you to have legal or logging in problems.

Sure, I haven't heard of any casino's suing with respect to this issue, but after this thread, who knows.

I think it is simple really.

So are you suggesting that nobody here should infer, imply or suggest that any casino is doing anything wrong without first finding tangible proof strong enough to bring charges to them in court? I don't know. Maybe I read it wrong.

Hmm. I'm wondering if statements made in casino chat rooms could be considered allegations. Either way, I'm not really concerned about being sued. It's been tried before online and all that accomplished was to make me less.... friendly. Besides, I don't think any casino would want their name and reputation dragged though a public court room. That would be a whole new can of worms. More independent auditing, the legality of operating in certain countries, player opinions, maybe a look at the code to see what exactly is possible on an operator level... I'm not even sure what would be involved. It would make for some good long threads here though.

I'm glad you changed your stance on opinions though. Freedom of expression is the backbone of any good forum.