What can ya do? NOTHING

[wanda5]

Can I just gripe about being double charged? Well i'm going to...I use one credit card that I can load to play with and I load as I go. SO last saturday I loaded $95 & deposited $94 in to Gaming Club and then today I loaded $75 & I got rejected when I tried to deposit $74! SO I went to my netspend statement and it said I was neg $20!!There is ANOTHER transaction that is trying to go through for another $95! I'm so glad I am doing the load as I go or I never would have caught this. But the real pisser now (that yall can relate to) is that I cant play! Kyle went out with the guys and i'm stuck home with nothing to do... I was all excited to play and they cant even try to fix it until Monday...such a bunch of crap and I just wanted to vent but also tell yall, WATCH YOUR FREAKIN STATEMENTS. I know it may not be the casinos fault so im not getting bitchy with them *yet. But its someone BESIDES me screwing up...so again, watch those statements. Good luck and have fun!

 

[LaurieJim]

Can I just gripe about being double charged? Well i'm going to...I use one credit card that I can load to play with and I load as I go. SO last saturday I loaded $95 & deposited $94 in to Gaming Club and then today I loaded $75 & I got rejected when I tried to deposit $74! SO I went to my netspend statement and it said I was neg $20!!There is ANOTHER transaction that is trying to go through for another $95! I'm so glad I am doing the load as I go or I never would have caught this. But the real pisser now (that yall can relate to) is that I cant play! Kyle went out with the guys and i'm stuck home with nothing to do... I was all excited to play and they cant even try to fix it until Monday...such a bunch of crap and I just wanted to vent but also tell yall, WATCH YOUR FREAKIN STATEMENTS. I know it may not be the casinos fault so im not getting bitchy with them *yet. But its someone BESIDES me screwing up...so again, watch those statements. Good luck and have fun!

welcome to the same sinking ship wanda we have the same issue going in another thread you may find useful ,annie posted it 3- dice- cc withdrawals, it may be of some help to you, good luck.....laurie

 

[pacers31]

Seems like we all hit the iceberg with our titanic cards! Netspend blames 3Dice (the casino I used it at), and vice versa. Someone needs to provide us proof or this may be a rogue processor for whatever reason. I won't be reloading until the news gets better. I would think losing all the money would motivate them to fix this fast. What are they thinking??

 

[RobWin]

Seems like we all hit the iceberg with our titanic cards! Netspend blames 3Dice (the casino I used it at), and vice versa. Someone needs to provide us proof or this may be a rogue processor for whatever reason. I won't be reloading until the news gets better. I would think losing all the money would motivate them to fix this fast. What are they thinking??

You make a very good valid point there pacers about the Processor which in fact may or could be the case since they would definitely want to make "doubly sure"...no pun intended...that they do in fact do not get stiffed for the money or transaction fees due them...

 

[hippo925]

do what i did.... cut up the card and sign up for a different one.
(it's been going on for a looong time and i finally got sick of netspend!)

 

[winbig]

do what i did.... cut up the card and sign up for a different one.
(it's been going on for a looong time and i finally got sick of netspend!)

Does Netspend allow you to have more than one card? If you request a card from their website, they ask for your social security #...I'm assuming they're going to ask for this when you go to activate a card purchased at a store as well.

 

[wanda5]

One of the many things that freak me out about it is that its not like a week later a machine is going to randomly charge your card AGAIN. So someone would deliberately have to go in and charge it... right? I mean in my business if someone pays with a cc it gets charged and the transaction is over....even if you are declined, the transaction is OVER. Theres not a person negotiating on the other end. Scary chit going on.

I appreciate yalls input and it really sux that this is obviously a big problem and not a new one. Who has time to do all the BS that comes along with SOMEONE ELSES "mistake" Yeah I look forward to scanning, faxing & corrsponding with these a-holes for hours just to get my own damn money back.

 

[pacers31]

Netspend update

Hey all, just got an email at my netspend online page. They tell me the reason the ghost charges haven't dropped off is because they are GAMBLING RELATED transactions. ummm, I don't get it??? The VISA sponsored company that takes in deposits with it's cards, but makes you wait awhile so they can fix their own FUps?!?! What the hell does gambling related activity have to do with them fixing bogus charges? This is becoming a major screw up for this card issuer. Talk about chasing your customers away! Somebody over at netspend or 3D needs to wake up and realize that this one will cost the bottom line terribly.

 

[RobWin]

Hey all, just got an email at my netspend online page. They tell me the reason the ghost charges haven't dropped off is because they are GAMBLING RELATED transactions. ummm, I don't get it??? The VISA sponsored company that takes in deposits with it's cards, but makes you wait awhile so they can fix their own FUps?!?! What the hell does gambling related activity have to do with them fixing bogus charges? This is becoming a major screw up for this card issuer. Talk about chasing your customers away! Somebody over at netspend or 3D needs to wake up and realize that this one will cost the bottom line terribly.

Well if that is the case then it's the Processors fault for Coding the transaction as such...that's the only way that I know of that most credit card companies can pick up on the fact that it is Gambling Related, is by the way the Transaction is coded...

 

[wanda5]

Hey all, just got an email at my netspend online page. They tell me the reason the ghost charges haven't dropped off is because they are GAMBLING RELATED transactions. ummm, I don't get it??? The VISA sponsored company that takes in deposits with it's cards, but makes you wait awhile so they can fix their own FUps?!?! What the hell does gambling related activity have to do with them fixing bogus charges? This is becoming a major screw up for this card issuer. Talk about chasing your customers away! Somebody over at netspend or 3D needs to wake up and realize that this one will cost the bottom line terribly.

I am so tired I can hardly keep my eyes open but I am so not done with this subject. Hope you guys are around tomorrow.

Rob if you are reading this ...I let my blonde show...I was oblivious to what the hell you were talking about with the pm...got it, and added you. I'm off to bed gn!

 

[pacers31]

I hope that's all it is Rob. I really hope they figure this out. It is an excellent option here in gambling impaired America, when it works right!! Come on Netspend, 3D, whoever, make it work again, we need this option!

 

[RobWin]

I hope that's all it is Rob. I really hope they figure this out. It is an excellent option here in gambling impaired America, when it works right!! Come on Netspend, 3D, whoever, make it work again, we need this option!

Yea man, I hope it does work out OK for all of you guys that use the Netspend option....

 

[AuntieIdiot]

My Netspend account is also showing a negative balance. (I haven't made any deposits at 3 Dice.) Every deposit that I have made using my Netspend card is showing up twice. It shows as "POSTED" and it stills shows as "PENDING" at the same time. This has been going on for over a week now. These deposits were at a group of MG casinos and an RTG casino. IMO its not the casinos fault, it is something with Netspend. Netspend tries to say that the merchants are double charging...or that the second charge will drop off in a week or so. In the meantime, the card is useless with a negative balance. I think it is time to cut up this card and find a new way to play or don't play. Who knows, maybe Netspend figures that they can double charge us for our transactions cuz we're too afraid to question these charges and they can make some easy bucks...hmmm...now that is an interesting thought.

 

[RobWin]

My Netspend account is also showing a negative balance. (I haven't made any deposits at 3 Dice.) Every deposit that I have made using my Netspend card is showing up twice. It shows as "POSTED" and it stills shows as "PENDING" at the same time. This has been going on for over a week now. These deposits were at a group of MG casinos and an RTG casino. IMO its not the casinos fault, it is something with Netspend. Netspend tries to say that the merchants are double charging...or that the second charge will drop off in a week or so. In the meantime, the card is useless with a negative balance. I think it is time to cut up this card and find a new way to play or don't play. Who knows, maybe Netspend figures that they can double charge us for our transactions cuz we're too afraid to question these charges and they can make some easy bucks...hmmm...now that is an interesting thought.

Well Netspend is partly owned by Capital One, and anybody that has ever dealt with Capital One knows how they like to Fee your ass off...but I still think this may be a common denominator problem between the processor(s) and Netspend...

 

[pacers31]

I agree Rob. It doesn't seem like an isolated thing with just 3Dice, but everywhere the same. The way this is going, I could almost mail a paper check and have it clear before netspend would release my funds. Too bad.

 

[RobWin]

I agree Rob. It doesn't seem like an isolated thing with just 3Dice, but everywhere the same. The way this is going, I could almost mail a paper check and have it clear before netspend would release my funds. Too bad.

Yea, you're right pacers and the paper check would most likely clear as soon or before the extra charges dropped off the Netspend card...that's definitely some crazy shite going on with those cards...

 

[3Dice]

Hi Guys,

Just for everyone's reference, this problem is not at all limited to our sector, here are some references mentioning exactly the same things happening at gas-stations, internet service providers and even ATM machines (guess the helpdesk would tell you the bank double charged !).

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In a way, it's good that the complaints and double charges are not just limited to our sector. (surely they are the vendors mistake, the fact that it only happens with netspend is simply astronomical coincidence). When you do go through the trouble of calling them, and they start playing the blame game, be sure to get the reference numbers of the transactions in question so that at least there's something that can be verified by the vendor.

Of course, you could always try to go

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, but at the end of the day it'll be their techs that need to fix this issue.

Kindest Regards,

Enzo

 

[RobWin]

Thanks for that informative and enlightening post there Enzo...seems as though Netspend is basically just a crock of shite, after reading all the other website boards and I had already read a couple the other day and found out that Capital One is part owner there, so in my opinion that even makes it worse if you have ever had to deal with them !!!

 

[wanda5]

Hey all, just got an email at my netspend online page. They tell me the reason the ghost charges haven't dropped off is because they are GAMBLING RELATED transactions. ummm, I don't get it??? The VISA sponsored company that takes in deposits with it's cards, but makes you wait awhile so they can fix their own FUps?!?! What the hell does gambling related activity have to do with them fixing bogus charges? This is becoming a major screw up for this card issuer. Talk about chasing your customers away! Somebody over at netspend or 3D needs to wake up and realize that this one will cost the bottom line terribly.

omg...so its like "punishment" ?? HA! thats a crock of crap! Maybe they are thinking we might be too afraid to dispute it!? ...ok i'm still waking up. I need a coffee injection.

 

[Mousey]

I was just about to ask if anyone has been double charged for 'regular' run of the mill transactions (grocery, drug store, online shopping, etc.)?

 

[pacers31]

No chance of that Mousey, I only use it for online gambling!

 

[wanda5]

I was just about to ask if anyone has been double charged for 'regular' run of the mill transactions (grocery, drug store, online shopping, etc.)?

I use mine for lots of stuff....have not had this happen and I have had this card for YEARS. I need it to make sense in my head HOW this can happen b4 I am ok with it being a "mistake". Like I said in my other post, its not like someone manually goes in and does something, its all done via machine...or am I wrong? How would a machine know to go in and at random charge someone again? Hmmm I wonder if my computer wakes up in the middle of the night and looks at porn? Could be why I get so much porn spam?

 

[kakata]

its not your puter its me behind it....

 

[wanda5]

mega moolah bonus spin

im an idiot ..i mean to start a new thread

 

[LaurieJim]

I was just about to ask if anyone has been double charged for 'regular' run of the mill transactions (grocery, drug store, online shopping, etc.)?

........never, all mine clear right then, ie, grocery, gas station, beautyshop, just not online casinos

 

[AuntieIdiot]

Here is how I have been handling the Netspend negative balance issue:

I have emailed them every single time that my card shows a negative balance. In my case, my account is in the negative because charges that have posted are still showing as pending at the same time. I email them telling them that it is obvious that these charges are the same and that any idiot can see that. They then send me a reply saying that due to security issues I need to call them on the phone to straighten it out. I then email them back again informing them that these are not double charges from a merchant that this is some stupid move on Netspends side and that I will not be loading anymore funds onto my card and that they have lost a customer. They then email me back with "hmmm, I wonder how that keeps happening we have dropped the pending charges and your account now has a positive balance." Maybe this will help somebody else get their account straight.

 

[LaurieJim]

Here is how I have been handling the Netspend negative balance issue:

I have emailed them every single time that my card shows a negative balance. In my case, my account is in the negative because charges that have posted are still showing as pending at the same time. I email them telling them that it is obvious that these charges are the same and that any idiot can see that. They then send me a reply saying that due to security issues I need to call them on the phone to straighten it out. I then email them back again informing them that these are not double charges from a merchant that this is some stupid move on Netspends side and that I will not be loading anymore funds onto my card and that they have lost a customer. They then email me back with "hmmm, I wonder how that keeps happening we have dropped the pending charges and your account now has a positive balance." Maybe this will help somebody else get their account straight.

im gonna try it now auntie ill let ya know what they say...........laurie

 

[AuntieIdiot]

im gonna try it now auntie ill let ya know what they say...........laurie

Good Luck Laurie! Be persistent and don't give up. The first time it took 3 or 4 emails back and forth before they dropped the pending charges off. Today it took 2 emails. Maybe if enough people let them know that they aren't going to get away with this they'll quit. It has only been happening to me for the last week or so. I've had my card for a little over a year and never had any problems till this last week.

At the end of their emails they have the balls to tell me that my account is eligible for direct deposit...NETSPEND, GET A CLUE!!

 

[wanda5]

........never, all mine clear right then, ie, grocery, gas station, beautyshop, just not online casinos

EXACTLY!

 

[wanda5]

its not your puter its me behind it....

AH HA! well, STOP IT!

 

[pacers31]

The latest email I got from netspend says that they are sorry that a merchant double charged me and that I cannot use my card for gambling transactions (even though up til now they haven't given a rats ass about it). Still no explanation as to why these ghost transactions are even being held for two weeks or so, I am starting to smell a big fat rat in the works. Conspiracy theory: (and just that), They may be making a big list for the feds to check twice. I know, sounds weird, but these days, .........

 

[LaurieJim]

Good Luck Laurie! Be persistent and don't give up. The first time it took 3 or 4 emails back and forth before they dropped the pending charges off. Today it took 2 emails. Maybe if enough people let them know that they aren't going to get away with this they'll quit. It has only been happening to me for the last week or so. I've had my card for a little over a year and never had any problems till this last week.

At the end of their emails they have the balls to tell me that my account is eligible for direct deposit...NETSPEND, GET A CLUE!!

The latest email I got from netspend says that they are sorry that a merchant double charged me and that I cannot use my card for gambling transactions (even though up til now they haven't given a rats ass about it). Still no explanation as to why these ghost transactions are even being held for two weeks or so, I am starting to smell a big fat rat in the works. Conspiracy theory: (and just that), They may be making a big list for the feds to check twice. I know, sounds weird, but these days, .........

my email to netspend...oooppps, maybe i screwed up i will expect to see this cleared this monday morning as i will be in touch with the b.b.b. as you are holding money that does not belong to you, the charges on there are not double charges and have been paid and you are the ones putting the pendings on them while trying to blame the merchant, any one can see this including whom ever i show. i will not call again as i expect to find my bal. in the positive before noon or i will consider this theft from you by holding money and not rendering services. i will also be in touch with capital one and other parties involved.please get your system together...........thank you , laurie xxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[RobWin]

my email to netspend...oooppps, maybe i screwed up i will expect to see this cleared this monday morning as i will be in touch with the b.b.b. as you are holding money that does not belong to you, the charges on there are not double charges and have been paid and you are the ones putting the pendings on them while trying to blame the merchant, any one can see this including whom ever i show. i will not call again as i expect to find my bal. in the positive before noon or i will consider this theft from you by holding money and not rendering services. i will also be in touch with capital one and other parties involved.please get your system together...........thank you , laurie xxxxxxxxxxxx

In Law lingo Laurie you can tell them that is considered "Theft by Deception" and also "Theft by Conversion" and your local DA's office may be interested in seeing these facts !!

 

[Mousey]

Due to the type of transactions they are targeting, I fully expect this 'loophole' to close for us soon. Then, unless we use an ewallet, players will be SOL when it comes to making a deposit quickly. And NETspend is going to lose a hell of a lot of business.

 

[LaurieJim]

In Law lingo Laurie you can tell them that is considered "Theft by Deception" and also "Theft by Conversion" and your local DA's office may be interested in seeing these facts !!

....................i was taking aunties advice, now pacer has me concerned with his post, they prolly shreaded the card and put me on a hit list

 

[RobWin]

....................i was taking aunties advice, now pacer has me concerned with his post, they prolly shreaded the card and put me on a hit list

Well you know me, always the Conspiracy Theorist and I would not put it past Netspend and Capital One to actually be tracking online gamblers this way and being in cahoots with the Federalies...LOL

 

[winbig]

In Law lingo Laurie you can tell them that is considered "Theft by Deception" and also "Theft by Conversion" and your local DA's office may be interested in seeing these facts !!

...and what happens once they figure out those charges were for online gambling?

 

[RobWin]

...and what happens once they figure out those charges were for online gambling?

It wouldn't affect the individual unless you actually lived in one of the 11 states where it is illegal...

 

[RobWin]

Netspend and to a degree Capital One could be held accountable though, if any agency actually wanted to inforce the UIGEA Law...

 

[pacers31]

I really don't think that Netspend or Visa would enter a deal with the feds of their own volition.LOL! Just more work for them. I got another reply to my kind of shitty gram I sent them. It said they understood that I wanted to close my account and could accomplish it by phone anytime. I never wanted to cancel it, just not going to fund it until the news improves. Netspend and Visa are purposely identifying and interfering with the deposits of gambling sites.
Considering the amount of action this will cost the industry, I would look for a response from Cyber Casino Land in general.

Netspend is a very convenient and affordable deposit option, or at least was (for now anyway).

 

[LaurieJim]

latest email from netspend

sent a copy to enzo, maybe he can fax over what they are wanting

Dear Laurie,

Thank you for contacting NetSpend customer care.

We apologize for the inconvenience regarding your pending transaction. Any outstanding authorization will remain pending on your account until the merchant collects what it is owed. If the merchant does not collect, the funds will be held for 7 days for purchases under $100, 30 days for purchases over $100, or 90 days for rentals and hotel stays. Once this time period passes, the funds are released back into your account. If for any reason, the merchant will not be collecting on the pending authorization, we can help you expedite the release of these funds back into your available balance if we receive the appropriate documentation regarding the transaction.
In the case of a transaction that was;
1. Cancelled/voided,
2. Double authorized
3. Declined on the merchant's end but approved on our end
4. Merchant will not be collecting

We need to receive some form of documentation from the merchant that the transaction was not completed. We require a faxed letter on letterhead from the merchant indicating the reason the transaction was cancelled or declined, and that they do not intend to collect the funds.

We require that a manager or contact name be present on the fax, as well as a contact number to reach that person. We also require that the fax contain a reference number, which is your account number. You may call Customer Service and ask a representative to give you that reference number. Our fax number is 512-857-0263.

Thank you for choosing NetSpend.

Baltazar
Customer care Specialist

 

[wanda5]

sent a copy to enzo, maybe he can fax over what they are wanting

Dear Laurie,

Thank you for contacting NetSpend customer care.

We apologize for the inconvenience regarding your pending transaction. Any outstanding authorization will remain pending on your account until the merchant collects what it is owed. If the merchant does not collect, the funds will be held for 7 days for purchases under $100, 30 days for purchases over $100, or 90 days for rentals and hotel stays. Once this time period passes, the funds are released back into your account. If for any reason, the merchant will not be collecting on the pending authorization, we can help you expedite the release of these funds back into your available balance if we receive the appropriate documentation regarding the transaction.
In the case of a transaction that was;
1. Cancelled/voided,
2. Double authorized
3. Declined on the merchant's end but approved on our end
4. Merchant will not be collecting

We need to receive some form of documentation from the merchant that the transaction was not completed. We require a faxed letter on letterhead from the merchant indicating the reason the transaction was cancelled or declined, and that they do not intend to collect the funds.

We require that a manager or contact name be present on the fax, as well as a contact number to reach that person. We also require that the fax contain a reference number, which is your account number. You may call Customer Service and ask a representative to give you that reference number. Our fax number is 512-857-0263.

Thank you for choosing NetSpend.

Baltazar
Customer care Specialist

what a pain in the butt...i'm sorry you are having to go through this crap!

 

[AuntieIdiot]

sent a copy to enzo, maybe he can fax over what they are wanting

Dear Laurie,

Thank you for contacting NetSpend customer care.

We apologize for the inconvenience regarding your pending transaction. Any outstanding authorization will remain pending on your account until the merchant collects what it is owed. If the merchant does not collect, the funds will be held for 7 days for purchases under $100, 30 days for purchases over $100, or 90 days for rentals and hotel stays. Once this time period passes, the funds are released back into your account. If for any reason, the merchant will not be collecting on the pending authorization, we can help you expedite the release of these funds back into your available balance if we receive the appropriate documentation regarding the transaction.
In the case of a transaction that was;
1. Cancelled/voided,
2. Double authorized
3. Declined on the merchant's end but approved on our end
4. Merchant will not be collecting

We need to receive some form of documentation from the merchant that the transaction was not completed. We require a faxed letter on letterhead from the merchant indicating the reason the transaction was cancelled or declined, and that they do not intend to collect the funds.

We require that a manager or contact name be present on the fax, as well as a contact number to reach that person. We also require that the fax contain a reference number, which is your account number. You may call Customer Service and ask a representative to give you that reference number. Our fax number is 512-857-0263.

Thank you for choosing NetSpend.

Baltazar
Customer care Specialist

They never asked me for anything. But like I said, it was quite obvious that the charges were duplicates, every transaction that had posted to my account was still showing as pending at the same time. It sounds to me like they are definitely targeting us gamblers.

 

[bb28]

Laurie,
The email certainly implies that it is the merchants fault. Whether that is true or not......well who knows. Netspend may just be passing the buck to someone else because they can. That line about 30 days or 90 days.....that is freakin unbelievable. If the hotel puts a hold on your card.....they can leave that hold on there for 90 days if they so choose.

 

[RobWin]

sent a copy to enzo, maybe he can fax over what they are wanting

Dear Laurie,

Thank you for contacting NetSpend customer care.

We apologize for the inconvenience regarding your pending transaction. Any outstanding authorization will remain pending on your account until the merchant collects what it is owed. If the merchant does not collect, the funds will be held for 7 days for purchases under $100, 30 days for purchases over $100, or 90 days for rentals and hotel stays. Once this time period passes, the funds are released back into your account. If for any reason, the merchant will not be collecting on the pending authorization, we can help you expedite the release of these funds back into your available balance if we receive the appropriate documentation regarding the transaction.
In the case of a transaction that was;
1. Cancelled/voided,
2. Double authorized
3. Declined on the merchant's end but approved on our end
4. Merchant will not be collecting

We need to receive some form of documentation from the merchant that the transaction was not completed. We require a faxed letter on letterhead from the merchant indicating the reason the transaction was cancelled or declined, and that they do not intend to collect the funds.

We require that a manager or contact name be present on the fax, as well as a contact number to reach that person. We also require that the fax contain a reference number, which is your account number. You may call Customer Service and ask a representative to give you that reference number. Our fax number is 512-857-0263.

Thank you for choosing NetSpend.

Baltazar
Customer care Specialist

Looks like Ole Baltazar broke it down for you purdy good there Laurie, but the only problem I see with his synopsis is the fact that if the transaction is not showing as Pending on Enzo's end then there would be nothing that Enzo could sent Netspend to try and have any pending charges removed...Baltazar said that "If the merchant does not collect, the funds will be held for 7 days for purchases under $100" but 3Dice's processor could actually take up to five business days to collect those attached funds and if that's the case then Enzo probably wouldn't know that anyway unless he has some way of looking in the back end of the Processor's cleared transactions,,,

Seems like a hell of a lot of work for the casino though to look into each customers transactions...I think if I owned the casino I wouldn't even accept Netspend as a deposit option for my customers, seems as though it would eventually piss too many customers off and also be too much of a burden on the casinos part trying to constantly stay in touch with the Processor to make sure that the customers transactions were clearing in a timely manner...JMO though...

 

[RobWin]

I really don't think that Netspend or Visa would enter a deal with the feds of their own volition.LOL! Just more work for them. I got another reply to my kind of shitty gram I sent them. It said they understood that I wanted to close my account and could accomplish it by phone anytime. I never wanted to cancel it, just not going to fund it until the news improves. Netspend and Visa are purposely identifying and interfering with the deposits of gambling sites.
Considering the amount of action this will cost the industry, I would look for a response from Cyber Casino Land in general.

Netspend is a very convenient and affordable deposit option, or at least was (for now anyway).

I understand what youre saying there pacers but Netspend or Visa wouldnt have to actually enter into any kind of deal or anything like that with the Feds because NetSpend Prepaid Debit Cards are issued by Inter National Bank or MetaBank, which are both members of the FDIC, which means that the Federal Banking Regulators could just pop in at any moment and audit their transactions and records for any given reason without prior notice, if like I said previously they actually wanted to try and enforce the UIGEA Law, but that is probably not going to happen until there are further details worked out by the Feds as to how they are going to enforce it

And I agree with you where you said thatNetspend and Visa are purposely identifying and interfering with the deposits of gambling sitesbut that is exactly what they are supposed to be doing if they really are trying to enforce the UIGEA...

 

[pacers31]

Very true Rob. You would think that some bureaucrat would have a mental bowel movement and figure out that online gaming is a perfect tax base to pay for the wars (those in progress, those coming soon I'm afraid!) Detestable I know, but folks are losing their homes, prices going way up, truckers threatening to strike and foul up the distribution system, and all we care about is AMERICAN IDOL?!?!?!!! Seems that the american sheeple just can't get a break.

This is the end...beautiful friend, the end......................................