Bodog Blackjack Random or Rigged?

[gobucs]

I'm surprised after playing Blackjack on Bodog for the past six months, that I don't see more complaints about the randomness or lack there of with their Blackjack game. The last time I played (about two weeks ago) I won 3 of the last 30 hands. If this was a rare occurence, I could accept that, but it was every night that the dealer seemed to go on these rediculous winning streaks, winning 10+ hands on a regular basis. I see a lot of patterns like the dealer wins let's say eight in a row, then I win one, and the dealer wins at least the next hand, usually at least three. Happens all the time. It seems obvious to me that the game is rigged. I know this is the biggest online casino in the world, and it doesn't make any sense that they would cheat their customers, but when I asked for recent testing info I discovered there has been no testing since 2005!, they don't post payout percentages on their site, RTG is no help at all!, and all of the casinos are rogued according to Voltran2007 affiliated with Kahnawake Gaming Commission accept Bodog. I'm just wondering if anyone else has had these types of issues with Bodog. I had a similar experience playing Blackjack on PartyPokers website until they quit doing business in the US. Should I just give up on online Blackjack anywhere?
GoBucs!

[happygobrokey]

kasinoking, the other day, brought up the homophone annoyance of confusing loser/looser, and i have to say that confusing accept/except is a much more massive mistake (like my little alliteration?). they are almost opposites; accept means to welcome or embrace, where except means to leave out or exclude.

so just except it, your a looser man i kill me sometimes

[gobucs]

OK. As you can see, I'm a new member to this forum. I spent some time reading through previous threads to get a feel for the environment. Unlike yourself, I have no desire to offend anyone, I've simply experienced some issues playing Blackjack with two very large online casinos. I was just looking for some feedback from anyone who might have had the same type of experience with either of those casinos.
If you're not prepared to focus your reply on the subject of my original thread, then keep your reply to yourself.
Besides, don't you think the world has enough smart-asses?
I hope my grammar was more suitable to you in this reply.

[happygobrokey]

lighten up man. yes i respect the english language and its grammar. and i feel i was reaching out to you so that in future you will not say the opposite of what you mean. and i like how you tell me to stay on topic or shut it, and in the next sentence you digress and call me a smart-ass? what in the world does that have to do with blackjack? yes, i'm being a smart-ass now, because you've inflamed me.

i'll calm down though and just explain myself a little more to clarify. communication is so important, and obviously the internet takes a lot away from it as we are reduced to typing and can't properly load our words with the emotion we feel. this makes it all the more important to use the right words to best describe the situation. i tried to make my post come off as a casual heads-up/positive criticism, even using four smilies around the "insult" which consisted of me deliberately misusing words. i thought that would be humourous. and by doing so, i felt i also "contradicted" my whole argument, as a further attempt to convey there was not much seriousness in my response. the thing that bothers me is seeing my language get butchered, and people failing to express themselves cogently. the two errors that actually get to me most are apostrophe-s on simple plurals, and advertising things as .99c when they mean $.99, and surely many will agree on these being annoying.

a guilty pleasure of mine though is to watch the vancouver-based cooking show "wok with yan" (in reruns because it's so popular) starring stephen yan, an asian with such an atrocious accent that the audience laughs at him talking, and he even hams it up. he always comes on stage and deliberately exaggerates his "herro!". the guy splits my sides, some of the stuff that comes out of his mouth. he says "chinese cooking wine" in under half a second like it's all one word, and he makes corny puns and jokes usually centred around the word "wok". his apron always has some old adage or lyric with "wok" slipped in, as in "wok me baby" or "wokking overtime".

and no i don't think bodog deals rigged cards, not that i've ever played there since, being from canada, i can't. is there any chance you don't play proper basic strategy? and a caveat to this is that there's a chance bodog uses a different number of decks for some of their games. again i can't confirm this, but the wiz who promotes bodog exclusively on his site says their pontoon uses 2 versus the standard 8 decks. it could well be there are some subtleties that could win you a few more bets per session. also beware the red light phenomenon, where only the setbacks stick in your mind. and also in all casino games with a house edge, in absence of bonus it is impossible to play profitably over the long run. as such, in order to really win at a game like blackjack, you have to take risks and up your bet when you can afford to or when you "just feel a good one coming".

i find pontoon much more entertaining because there's a prospect of a doubled five-card trick for doubled winnings of 2/1, and also 2/1 for a pontoon/bj. this also allows for a player to win by merely flatbetting (and of course having luck aka good variance for the session). in normal bj you can go up or down one, one-point-five(bj win), or two units on any hand. in pontoon you can go down two bets but up by four if your bet and double-down are paid 2/1 on a five-carder. and drawing after a double is fantastic. so is standing on 2- and 3-card 15/16. i hate hitting to less than half the cards in the deck, unless there's double payouts on taking that chance of course. so in pontoon, a hard 14 blows the most since this total or lower requires a player to hit. and the house edge is comparable or even slightly lower than most online blackjacks (not sure about bodog's with the double deck variation). so i would suggest to reconsider and check if the blackjack you are playing either has some poor rules or follows a different strategy table than you use currently. did i offer any good nuggets in that heap of a post? hope so

[aka23]

I'm surprised after playing Blackjack on Bodog for the past six months, that I don't see more complaints about the randomness or lack there of with their Blackjack game. The last time I played (about two weeks ago) I won 3 of the last 30 hands. If this was a rare occurence, I could accept that, but it was every night that the dealer seemed to go on these rediculous winning streaks, winning 10+ hands on a regular basis. I see a lot of patterns like the dealer wins let's say eight in a row, then I win one, and the dealer wins at least the next hand, usually at least three. Happens all the time. It seems obvious to me that the game is rigged. I know this is the biggest online casino in the world, and it doesn't make any sense that they would cheat their customers, but when I asked for recent testing info I discovered there has been no testing since 2005!, they don't post payout percentages on their site, RTG is no help at all!, and all of the casinos are rogued according to Voltran2007 affiliated with Kahnawake Gaming Commission accept Bodog. I'm just wondering if anyone else has had these types of issues with Bodog. I had a similar experience playing Blackjack on PartyPokers website until they quit doing business in the US. Should I just give up on online Blackjack anywhere?
GoBucs!

To show a software is rigged, you need to provide more data, or at least more specific data. For example, how many steaks of 10+ losses occurred over how many hands? Were you playing with optimal strategy on all hands? If you give information in this format, I'll tell you the odds of it occurring randomly. Wizard of Odds is the authority on fair/rigged blackjack, and he exclusively promotes Bodog. He will likely help or provide more detailed info, if you contact him.

If you don't trust Bodog, I'd suggest trying a different software. Microgaming and Cryptologic are both quality alternative softwares with an excellent reputation. Microgaming blackjack lists detailed stats about the game while you play, including a grid of dealer final hand percents.

[thetic]

[QUOTE=aka23;163748]For example, how many steaks of 10+ losses occurred over how many hands? QUOTE]

Careful aka23 or happygobrokey will be all over for your grammar

Just to add my view, always find bodog fair, yes there are long losing (not loosing) streaks from time to time but conversely you get the occasional streak in your own favour. If only I knew when these were coming I would be a richer man....

[Slugo]

Hey, I don't give a D**n about your grammar. Mine is cr*p too!

I don't know if you have played other RTG casinos in Blackjack or not.
But if you haven't one thing I have learned is the they are VERY streaky!!!
You can lose alot or win alot in a short time.

Good luck

Slugo

[tencardcharlie]

There is no reason whatsoever to believe that Bodog is rigged. What you are describing is just bad luck. I hope you get better luck in the future

@happygobrokey: since you are speaking about language, I have to ask, why do you never use upper-case letters? To be honest, I find your posts more or less unreadable because of this.

[SKUNX]

See our new member who started this post does have a point.
I have been working for RTG casinos for over 6 years now .. im a Blackjack player and Tri Card Poker... WHAT many of you dont know is that indeed there are ways that are just a click away from me to change the advantage of the house , this happens more often in low bonus % casinos that offer 24 hour payouts.
Havent you noticed its easier to beat for example purposes the Shark than Bodog ??
Everytime you wanna open up a casino you meet up with the RTG guys and you set out a plan Big bonus casino = 7 business days cashout low bonus casino = 24 to 48 hours and I dont wanna sound over the top but im one hell of a Blackplayer I know the " charts " by heart and my studies on the software help and I deposited $500 at bodog not to long ago and it lasted me about 15 minutes playing $2 to $25 BJ it was not good I have no problem with losing but I like to get a little plays worth ... now I deposited $500 XX casino that I wont name since Im having issues with them and in 20 minutes I made a nice profit on BJ but since their a high bonus casino they are gonna try and stick it to me every way possible lol

Just my opinion
Thanks

[gobucs]

All good feedback guys and gals, thank you very much.

Happy, what can I say man, you rubbed my fur the wrong way with your very first response to my very first thread. While I agree that grammar is important, and there are definitely some very frustrating occurences out there (my pet peave is when I hear somone say "especially but pronounce it expecially", just makes me nuts! Anyway I don't think my error was one of those that warranted a response unrelated to my inquiry. TRUCE. As far as the rest... For the most part I do play basic strategy, but have found that Bodog seems to hurt you more when you do. In addition, I suppose the number of decks would be deemed somewhat irrelevant in most cases because they claim to reshuffle after every hand. This alone makes it even harder for me to see the dealer win soooo many hands in a row.


In response to others...

SKUNX - You're saying exactly what I've been seeing for awhile now. I go along for a liitle while, everything is fine, nothing unusual. I win I lose, nothing crazy. I increase the wager to $25, $50, or whatever and the dealer wins 27 out of 30 hands. It is obvious to me after many many sessions that Bodog is identifying with the amount of the wager and the aggression of the player and is winning/losing accordingly. After all, they can't win every hand, but they certainly win more than their fair share, when the player becomes more aggressive.

For the rest... Streaky is one thing, I'm talking about absurdity. I have dozens of records from Bodog BJ sessions 100's of thousands of hands, and welcome anyone to look at them and give me their opinion. There are so many, I don't know what would be the best way to make them available, but I will. e-mail would be easiest for me.

I understand bad luck, and I understand steaky cards, but I also understand that in the past 20 years of playing land based casinos I would bet that I haven't lost 10 hands in a row more than 5 times. I know I play a lot more hands in a shorter period of time online, but to see the dealer win this many in a row nightly, sometimes more than once a night is unfathonable to me.
(Hope I spelled that right Happy)