32red.com stole 2 and blaims my bank

[zoloth]

A few weeks ago I noticed 2 charges of 1 on my CC , I called my bank and they cancelled the charges on my account , I had only used the card at 32red.com. and my bank told me that 32red.com made the charges.

I contacted 32red.com and they said they would contact me , I have been told now several times that they will call but nothing happens.
In every mail contact I've had with them they blaim my bank for these charges , I have even provided them with contact details to my bank so that they can verify that my bank didn't make the charges.


I only own a cellphone and I have been forced to call my bank several times
thus spending close to $50 in telephone charges , not to mention the time I've spent speaking to both 32red and my bank.


My bank has told me 3 times that they do not charge for this.
but yet 32red blaims my bank.They also tell me that they have tried to contact me but I've received no message on either phone or email.

below is one of many messages from 32red , In all they blaim my bank.

--------------------------
Hello Stefan,

Thank you for your email.

I have attempted to contact you on numerous occasions over the last 2 days to no
avail.

I would like to re-iterate again that the charges which you have incurred have
not been imposed by 32Red as we do not charge players for playing here and have
never charged for the use of our online gaming facility.

We are aware that your bank is in Sweden and the fact that you have been billed
in pounds leads you to believe that the charge on your statement has been
imposed by 32Red.

However in a recent email you stated that the bank had reversed the charge for
you, if a company such as 32Red had in fact imposed the charges, your bank would
not have the facility to reverse them for you.

The reason which you may have been billed in British Pounds and not Swedish
Kroner could be due to the fact that 32Red bill in pounds and you have been
charged by your bank for playing here at 32Red.

I would like to point out that we have never previously charged you for playing
here at 32Red and we still maintain this stance.

If you have any further questions regarding this matter please do not hesitate
to contact us.

Kind regards

Carla
Payments Executive
32Red Casino |Dash Casino| 32Red Poker
Casinomeister Best Casino 2003, 2004 & 2005

 

[mikepipe]

welcome to the forum.
I have been using a credit card at 32red often.
They never charged me for anything.
I believe that in fact your bank took those 2 pounds, because you used the CC for foreign currency - this kind of charge is not so rare.
And if that wrere true, the explanation, your bank gave to you, would be "true" - but has to be specified, it was a charge which was caused by your money transfer to 32red.

I hope, that makes it a bit clearer for you!
only btw: Over the years there was not a single case in which 32red had betrayed players or been incorrect in any way. They are trustworthy!

 

[zoloth]

As I said in my post my bank does not charge any fees for this , and if they charge a fee it would be included in the amount charged , I wouldn't NOT have been a seperate chage. I've spoken to them 3 times now.



EDIT

Spoken to Steve at 32red live support who has promised me that I will be contacted tomorrow , I've been promised this before but Steve has helped me earlier so maybe he can resolve this.


It's really not a money issue , I'm more interested in why the charge was made and by whom and all 32red does is to blaim my bank , but they say they didn't do it.

 

[mikepipe]

ok. please keep us informed.

 

[zoloth]

welcome to the forum.
I have been using a credit card at 32red often.
They never charged me for anything.
I believe that in fact your bank took those 2 pounds, because you used the CC for foreign currency - this kind of charge is not so rare.
And if that wrere true, the explanation, your bank gave to you, would be "true" - but has to be specified, it was a charge which was caused by your money transfer to 32red.

I hope, that makes it a bit clearer for you!
only btw: Over the years there was not a single case in which 32red had betrayed players or been incorrect in any way. They are trustworthy!

I've never had an issue with them earlier either and I've been playing there for almost a year , They've been very good to me , even gave me a 100 no-condition bonus when a withdrawal was late. So I really like 32red and would like to continue to play there. But this has issue has been going on for a month now and they wont accep that my bank didn't do it.
makes me uncomfortable how money could be charged from my card without the CVV code or my aproval.

 

[mikepipe]

once there was a famous gambler named william S. (i use to quote him quite often who said:
"If it were so, it was a grievous fault, and grievously the casino answered it.."

(at least it was similar to what i remember )

seriously: If32 sould have made a mistake, the matter will be resolved shortly and generous.

 

[soflat]

Maybe 32red didn't make the charge.

 

[zoloth]

Maybe 32red didn't make the charge.

I've only used this card at 32red , I havn't even used it in a ATM.
Maybe the charge was issued by 32red's bank or whatever , I dont know
but my bank did not do it and no other company has the CC.







It hasn't been resolved shortly , But I hope it could be resolved
generously.

 

[tennis_balls]

nice thread title.....yeah....i'm sure they stole your 2 pounds and they're throwing a huge party for their shareholders with it

 

[vinylweatherman]

Happening more now.

Banks here in the UK have been slipping in changes to the way they treat gambling transactions, and this indeed means that the past is not a guide to the future.
It may be a charge generated by someone in the chain between 32Red and the swedish account. Some UK cards do this for currency conversions, either they build in a dee in exchange rates, or use tourist rates and chage a fixed amount on top. if it was exactly 1, this points to the charge being levied in UK Sterling, rather than in Kroner.
Although 32Red is accused of lying, it is quite possible the bank is lying because this should not have happened, but they don't want to admit it.
Naturally, until you know exactly what happened, you cannot be certain it won't happen again.

Anyway, a lesser casino would probably have locked your account for playing in UK Pounds in the first place, saying the currency of Sweden is the Euro because Sweden is next to Russia, which is in Europe - not that I am Prive to such inside information

 

[soflat]

I've only used this card at 32red , I havn't even used it in a ATM.
Maybe the charge was issued by 32red's bank or whatever , I dont know
but my bank did not do it and no other company has the CC.







It hasn't been resolved shortly , But I hope it could be resolved
generously.

Banks are so big and complicated these days, they might have charged you but whoever you spoke to didn't know it.

This is just about getting 32red to give you something now isn't it?

 

[zoloth]

nice thread title.....yeah....i'm sure they stole your 2 pounds and they're throwing a huge party for their shareholders with it

I have to blaim someone. becaue I did not charge my own CC now did I.

I dont care if it happened somewhere along the line between 32red and my bank , my bank did not do it. I've given 32red the phonenumber to my banks head office so they can verify this , they have not called them afaik.

If my bank did not do it , then it's 32reds responsibility , if their bank charged my card without my permission is not my problem. And if that is the case I will take legal action against that bank , They cant charge my CC without my approval.

 

[Pinababy69]

I also use a CC to deposit at 32Red. My casino account is in Canadian dollars, and so is my Mastercard. However, I still get charged $1 plus 1.25% of the transaction amount, for each and every transaction. And it does get billed separately. My statement will show a deposit of $30, and a foreign transaction fee of $1.38 ($1 plus an additional .38). Even though there is no currency conversion involved, I still get charged this, because the company they are transacting with is not in Canada. I have bought things on the internet from companies based in Canada, and there is no fee.

I would almost guarantee that 32Red is NOT responsible for this charge. Regardless of which internet casino I deposit at, the foreign transaction fees are the same, so it's not unique to 32Red. It's not the casinos, it is the banks/CC companies. As VWM suggested, I'd guess that whoever you spoke to at your bank does not know what they are talking about. Perhaps this is something new they have implemented. Some CC companies also view gaming transactions as cash advances. Be thankful you're not in the US, and unable to deposit period.

I agree t_b, I think the thread title is a bit out there. I understand the OP wants an answer, but they stole $2? It's almost comical.

 

[zoloth]

Banks are so big and complicated these days, they might have charged you but whoever you spoke to didn't know it.

This is just about getting 32red to give you something now isn't it?

I have nothing against 32red , but I do ofcourse belive that if they or their bank or whatever caused this that they should compensate me for any costs involved in resolving the issue ,
If this happened to you woulndn't you call your bank to find out someone was charging your account?

 

[zoloth]

I also use a CC to deposit at 32Red. My casino account is in Canadian dollars, and so is my Mastercard. However, I still get charged $1 plus 1.25% of the transaction amount, for each and every transaction. And it does get billed separately. My statement will show a deposit of $30, and a foreign transaction fee of $1.38 ($1 plus an additional .38). Even though there is no currency conversion involved, I still get charged this, because the company they are transacting with is not in Canada. I have bought things on the internet from companies based in Canada, and there is no fee.

I would almost guarantee that 32Red is NOT responsible for this charge. Regardless of which internet casino I deposit at, the foreign transaction fees are the same, so it's not unique to 32Red. It's not the casinos, it is the banks/CC companies. As VWM suggested, I'd guess that whoever you spoke to at your bank does not know what they are talking about. Perhaps this is something new they have implemented. Some CC companies also view gaming transactions as cash advances. Be thankful you're not in the US, and unable to deposit period.

I agree t_b, I think the thread title is a bit out there. I understand the OP wants an answer, but they stole $2? It's almost comical.

I have explained this to 32red , And ofcourse my bank charges a fee for the exchange of currency , however this fee is included in the charge , it does not appear as a seperate fee.

I have spoken to my bank 3 times about this , and the tell me every time that any fee's are included in the amount withdrawn , there is no seperate charge for this fee . this is the problem.

 

[Pinababy69]

I have explained this to 32red , And ofcourse my bank charges a fee for the exchange of currency , however this fee is included in the charge , it does not appear as a seperate fee.

Hi Zoloth, there is no exchange of currency on my account. My casino account is in Canadian dollars, and so is my Mastercard. It gets billed in Canadian dollars. There is NO currency conversion involved, yet I still get billed a separate charge as a foreign transaction fee, as the company I am dealing with (32Red or whichever casino) is NOT in Canada.

If I deposit say $20 at a casino where my acct is in US dollars, it shows on my statement as (eg.) $22.50, PLUS 1.25% of the $20 (and this part shows as a separate charge, named Foreign Transaction Fee). The currency conversion is added in to the one amount, but the foreign transaction fee is separate.

Edited to add: In any event, I'm sure Pat will be in the office in about 4-5 hours and I'd say you'll have a reply then.

 

[zoloth]

The issue has been resolved.

 

[mikepipe]

The issue has been resolved.

Please: tell us how.
hundreds of members want to know.!
thanks

 

[GrandMaster]

A few weeks ago I noticed 2 charges of 1 on my CC , I called my bank and they cancelled the charges on my account , I had only used the card at 32red.com. and my bank told me that 32red.com made the charges.

I only own a cellphone and I have been forced to call my bank several times
thus spending close to $50 in telephone charges , not to mention the time I've spent speaking to both 32red and my bank.

Spending $50 to chase 2 seems somewhat excessive, but I am glad the issue has been resolved.

 

[Pinababy69]

I'd like to know how it was resolved as well, for future reference if nothing else. You know, say six months from now the same problem pops up for someone else, we can use this thread for reference.

If 32Red was responsible for the charges, I'm positive they made it right by you. If it was your bank, I would hope they have done the same, and reimbursed you for phone calls, etc.

 

[zoloth]

I got compensation for the 50 I spent on phonecharges , However why there was a charge in the first place has not yet been explained to my satisfaction.

 

[Pinababy69]

Hi Zoloth, I'm just curious if your statement looks anything like this?

This first charge was a straight $20 deposit into 32Red, no currency conversion, but as you can see there is still a $1.04 foreign transaction fee.

12/30/2006 Fee - Foreign Transaction Fee $-1.04

12/30/2006 Settled Authorization - TRAFALGAR BETTING AND\\GIBRALTAR\00000 TRAFALGAR BETTING AND GIBRALTAR GIB $-20.00

The second one shows a $20 deposit I made in US dollars (currency conversion added into main charge totalling $23.28), but again a separate foreign transaction fee.

12/28/2006 Fee - Foreign Transaction Fee $-1.13

12/28/2006 Settled Authorization - raynorsa.com\UNKNOWN\Luxembourg\ raynorsa.com 0000000000000 LUX $-23.28

I'd really be willing to bet that those $1 charges that have appeared on your statement are indeed from your bank/CC company, despite what they say. Perhaps it is something new they've implemented, but whomever you've spoken to isn't aware of it.

 

[mikepipe]

Jap, this is the sort of fees, i meant in my first post here.
I am willing to bet also or OSLO?

 

[tim5ny]

I only own a cellphone and I have been forced to call my bank several times
thus spending close to $50 in telephone charges .

Lies! Lies! Lies!

 

[zoloth]

I only own a cellphone and I have been forced to call my bank several times
thus spending close to $50 in telephone charges .

Lies! Lies! Lies!

Not lies.


Pinababy69

Whats strange is that this fee has only been charged twice , but I've deposited several times at 32red.com. They only occured after 32red told me they would contact my their bank to verify my card.

 

[Pinababy69]

Not lies.


Pinababy69

Whats strange is that this fee has only been charged twice , but I've deposited several times at 32red.com. They only occured after 32red told me they would contact my their bank to verify my card.

That is strange Zoloth. That's why I thought maybe it was something new your bank had introduced. I'm really at a loss then.

If it weren't for the phone charges, I would tell you to get onto your bank and insist they find and verify what these charges are, and where they initiated from.

 

[casplayer]

That is strange Zoloth. That's why I thought maybe it was something new your bank had introduced. I'm really at a loss then.

If it weren't for the phone charges, I would tell you to get onto your bank and insist they find and verify what these charges are, and where they initiated from.

are you sure these amounts have REALLY been deducted from your credit card balance?

As far as I know there are 2 ways of 'charging' a credit card.

1.) directly deduct the money from the card
2.) inquiry on a certain amount which is reserved on the card (i.e. when you want to pump gas and you first have to put in your Visa, 80$ is reserved to validate that there is actually money on your account. the real amount is later deducted from your balance)

this is also the way some casinos verify that your card details are correct(the ones where you also have to enter the CVV upon card registration)
to validate that your details are entered correctly they 'reserve' a small amount from 1-20$ on your card and will actually not debit it.

this may have happened to you as you told that this happened when you were asked for card details...so has the money actually been deducted, or just been 'requested' and may be released in the next billing period?

 

[henryVIII]

I would almost guarantee that 32Red is NOT responsible for this charge.
I agree t_b, I think the thread title is a bit out there. I understand the OP wants an answer, but they stole $2? It's almost comical.

Hmmm ...

... again pinababy is incredulous about a complaint against 32red.

See

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/32-red-very-disappointed.15736/

for pretty much the same.

Yawn.

 

[winbig]

Hmmm ...

... again pinababy is incredulous about a complaint against 32red.

See

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/32-red-very-disappointed.15736/

for pretty much the same.

Yawn.

Enough of this bullshit. Quit it already. If you want to fight with someone, do it in private. Quit turning the forum into your boxing ring.

 

[Pinababy69]

are you sure these amounts have REALLY been deducted from your credit card balance?

As far as I know there are 2 ways of 'charging' a credit card.

1.) directly deduct the money from the card
2.) inquiry on a certain amount which is reserved on the card (i.e. when you want to pump gas and you first have to put in your Visa, 80$ is reserved to validate that there is actually money on your account. the real amount is later deducted from your balance)

this is also the way some casinos verify that your card details are correct(the ones where you also have to enter the CVV upon card registration)
to validate that your details are entered correctly they 'reserve' a small amount from 1-20$ on your card and will actually not debit it.

this may have happened to you as you told that this happened when you were asked for card details...so has the money actually been deducted, or just been 'requested' and may be released in the next billing period?

Never thought of that casplayer, it's a possibility. In my case (see my CC statement above), my charges are definitely deducted, at the time of deposit. And they are CC charges, not originating from the casino(s). Zoloth, could they be a verification charge as casplayer suggested?

 

[vinylweatherman]

Cards

I have used cards in the past at 32Red, which included having to enter the CCV number. At no time was a certain amount "reserved", neither is this necessary where the transaction is authorised on the spot by eBanking websites, as the transaction itself will be validation enough - if there is no money on the card, the Microgaming cashier will reject the transaction and ask you to contact support. I have had a couple of card transactions suffer this, and it has been the case that when the card company declines the transaction, or the card has insufficient funds, the casino will not process the deposit.
This charge must originate from the banks, and it MAY be that when they were contacted to verify the card, they realised that all along 32Red was a casino! - They may have thought it to be some kind of internet retail store with a trendy name
32Red is among the few that do not have the word "casino", in it's name, nor even any reference to gambling, such as "something" CLUB - or "vegas" whatever. It would take someone familiar with Roulette to suspect 32Red might be a casino, the other one, called "Dash" would also slip under the radar if it billed accounts as simply "Dash" rather than "Dash Casino".

 

[Pinababy69]

VWM, it gets billed on my statement (see post on page 3) as Trafalgar Betting. Is it billed differently in Europe/the UK? Just curious.

 

[henryVIII]

Just incredulous.

Just ammended your post to be more truthful.

 

[casplayer]

I have used cards in the past at 32Red, which included having to enter the CCV number. At no time was a certain amount "reserved", neither is this necessary where the transaction is authorised on the spot by eBanking websites, as the transaction itself will be validation enough - if there is no money on the card, the Microgaming cashier will reject the transaction and ask you to contact support.

I think you got me wrong.
The amount is not 'reserved' when you actually make a deposit, instead this meassure is used by some casinos when you REGISTER your card details (to verify the card actually exists, i.e. to prevent the unlikely case that you mistyped AND the card checksum is valid)

 

[zoloth]

Zoloth, could they be a verification charge as casplayer suggested?

That is possible but then I would think that 32red would have told me of this instead of blaming my bank for almost a month.

 

[Pinababy69]

Well, if you ever get a definitive answer to this, could you come back and post? If charges start popping up on your card when you deposit at other casinos with it, then I'd say you'll know for sure your bank is feeding you a line. If it never happens again, I really don't know what to think.

Have you ever used this particular card at any other casino? Again, just curiousity.

 

[casplayer]

That is possible but then I would think that 32red would have told me of this instead of blaming my bank for almost a month.

perhaps they did not take this into consideration as it has never happened before..

 

[henryVIII]

Again, just cannot believe one of my affiliated casinos is wrong. It must be your bank.

Just clarified your post for non-affiliate readers.

You havent told anyone they are "a moron", "what the fuck is your problem", "this is the worst post ever" or "go fuck yourself", etc etc yet.

That is pinanbabys usual response to any criticism of any of her affiliates.

Banks are so untrustworthy ... if only they had the legal safeguards all your affiliated casinos have, eh?

Bloody banks ... they should be as tightly regulated as 32red and the rest of pinababy's affiliated casinos are.

 

[vickie40]

Just clarified your post for non-affiliate readers.

You havent told anyone they are "a moron", "what the fuck is your problem", "this is the worst post ever" or "go fuck yourself", etc etc yet.

That is pinanbabys usual response to any criticism of any of her affiliates.

Banks are so untrustworthy ... if only they had the legal safeguards all your affiliated casinos have, eh?

Bloody banks ... they should be as tightly regulated as 32red and the rest of pinababy's affiliated casinos are.

HenryVIII,
You really need to lose the attitude..There are plenty of people who come here for information and your comments are nothing but rude.

 

[henryVIII]

HenryVIII,
You really need to lose the attitude..There are plenty of people who come here for information and your comments are nothing but rude.

Hmmm ...

... lets get this straight ..

... you think "go fuck yourself" is not rude

.. but factually accurate comments are rude ...

hmm..

you want information ...

... but you prefer affiliates to give it to you??

Anyone else smell bullshit here??? I thought so.

But, yes, please, elaborate on your comments... bet you cant ... just like pinababy couldnt

Heres the links :

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...g-is-not-quite-right.13568/?highlight=harbour

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/32-red-very-disappointed.15736/

Now, dont you look silly????

There is a reason pinababy goes quiet ... and its not because she is a "fun loving gal" believe me ..

Unless you think "going fucking yourself" is your definition of a fun loving gal.

Sounds too close to masturbation for my money .... but she posts the stuff ... I can only highlight the stupidity ot it ... but, hey, if you live in a town where pinababy is your definition of "a fun lovin' gal" ...

... then MOVE MOVE MOVE

... save yourselves boys

 

[tennis_balls]

lol.....looks like :icon_evil Angry Hank :icon_evil is hitting the sauce again tonight.

cheers Hank

 

[winbig]

There is a reason pinababy goes quiet ... and its not because she is a "fun loving gal" believe me ..

Or maybe she's just being grownup now and ignoring you?

 

[vinylweatherman]

Affiliates

I have spent nearly an hour looking for Pinababys affiliate website. Could someone tell me where it is please?

I seem unable to find the quote from Pinababy referenced by HenryVIII in an earlier post

"Originally Posted by Pinababy69
Again, just cannot believe one of my affiliated casinos is wrong. It must be your bank."

I would like to read this in context of the material under discussion, the second charges of 2x1 that appeared alongside, and seem related to, deposits recently made to 32Red casino.

I have often had this problem with Neteller, with Neteller blaming the casino, and the casino blaming Neteller. The truth was a long time coming, but in the end turned out to be a bit of both, as well as poor communications within the respective organisations.

If there is an online statement facility, it may be possible to interrogate more deeply the statement information for Merchant and country codes relating to these charges. These do not appear on paper statements, but the codes should show from what point in the chain the charge originated.
If these really are phantom charges for verification purposes, then they should clear by Friday.

Incidentally, I have noticed something similar very recently on my Barclaycard, and it seems related to the new VISA verification scheme. I found a small charge of around 1 in "pending" after a purchase at Maplins online website, and again after a deposit at Casino Action. These charges just vanished, they never made it onto the statement. These appear to be something new, and this could well turn out to be related to the current heatedly debated issue. If this is the case, it is the BANK that is wrong, or more strictly, VISA INTERNATIONAL, perhaps failing to tell banks that customers might see these charges and think them bogus.

IF this turns out to be correct, then Pinababy deserves an apology from HenryVIII. Equally, if 32Red are found to have lied (and made the charges), Pinababy will apologise for being offended by HenryVIII rude and personal attacks, although Henry will still have to apologise to the forum if it is found that some of the quotes have been doctored for dramatic effect.

If I recall, the original HenryVIII beheaded one of his wives for being too ugly and unable to bear a son - yet who would not grant a divorce.

 

[Pinababy69]

I have spent nearly an hour looking for Pinababys affiliate website. Could someone tell me where it is please?

I seem unable to find the quote from Pinababy referenced by HenryVIII in an earlier post

"Originally Posted by Pinababy69
Again, just cannot believe one of my affiliated casinos is wrong. It must be your bank."

although Henry will still have to apologise to the forum if it is found that some of the quotes have been doctored for dramatic effect.

There is no website VWM, not for a long time now. There are no affiliate payments anymore (the last one was a whopping $50, and that was months ago). And each and every one of the "quotes" that Henry posted as being posted by me, were indeed doctored. And I haven't been an affiliate of 32Red for 8-10 months.

And Winbig, you're right.

 

[tennis_balls]

I have spent nearly an hour looking for Pinababys affiliate website. Could someone tell me where it is please

test

 

[henryVIII]

There is no website VWM, not for a long time now. There are no affiliate payments anymore (the last one was a whopping $50, and that was months ago). And each and every one of the "quotes" that Henry posted as being posted by me, were indeed doctored. And I haven't been an affiliate of 32Red for 8-10 months.

And Winbig, you're right.

Incorrect.

The only "doctored" quotes were CLEARLY labelled as such. Only a complete "moron" could misundestand that. As a clue I even stated each time that I had "doctored" them.

BIG CLUE HERE :

"Just ammended your post ..."

"Just clarified your post ..."

BIG CLUE NUMBER TWO :

The above comments are clearly stating I have "ammended" the posts for effect

BIG CLUE NUMBER THREE :

Its freaking obvious !!!!

BIG CLUE NUMBER FOUR :

Nothing to do with the post, but dont stick your fingers in eletricity sockets (sorry ... they may not have huge big signs saying this on them)

Doctored them??? Heck ... read these in there pure form ..

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...-is-cheating.12185/?highlight=english+harbour

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/32-red-very-disappointed.15736/

But, sure, the usual "elite poster" happy-clappys are limping in now ... avoiding the facts but getting personal.

Heck, even tennis balls is trying to articulate something or other now. Didnt read all his post but this is the man who recommends playing slots after all!!

lol ... that the calibre of the "elite posters".

 

[winbig]

But, sure, the usual "elite poster" happy-clappys are limping in now ... avoiding the facts but getting personal.

Heck, even tennis balls is trying to articulate something or other now. Didnt read all his post but this is the man who recommends playing slots after all!!

lol ... that the calibre of the "elite posters".

I don't think anybody but you and Pina (only you now) are concerned about this subject at all, let alone the facts. It got old a long time ago, and only got brought up again with you replying to a month old post.

 

[henryVIII]

I have spent nearly an hour looking for Pinababys affiliate website. Could someone tell me where it is please?

I seem unable to find the quote from Pinababy referenced by HenryVIII in an earlier post

"Originally Posted by Pinababy69
Again, just cannot believe one of my affiliated casinos is wrong. It must be your bank."

Are you able to cross the road alone or do you need an adult at all times?

 

[henryVIII]

I don't think anybody but you and Pina (only you now) are concerned about this subject at all, let alone the facts. It got old a long time ago, and only got brought up again with you replying to a month old post.

INCORRECT

Once again ... look at the post preceeding mine ... now look at the top of it ... see a number and a word??

That is called a date? its a number and a word .. so 14 and january means ... well, 14 January ...

so, go have a look ...

... if you are still confused ask one of the elite posters to help you understand what is going on ..

... there again maybe dont .. ask someone independent

Thanks again for the thanks for the support I am getting from non "elite posters"

"Only they believe that anyone actually gives a toss what they think" is very true.

 

[winbig]

Whatever dude. The quote you put in your message was from a MONTH PRIOR. Get over it.


vvvvv I suggest to whoever is tired of hearing his shit to do the same. I'll even save you a few clicks: Link Outdated / Removed