A Vegas VIP Lounge Statement Regarding The Recent Dispute Over Payment of Winnings

[VegasVIP Lounge]

The Vegas VIP Lounge would like to express its sincerest regret over a recent dispute that has arisen between the Casino Group and a number of players that are known to have been partaking in what can only be described as exploitative and abusive playing activities.

Following an in-depth investigation of this case, the Vegas VIP Lounge initially took the decision to lock the offending player's accounts and refund their initial deposits.

Although the Vegas VIP Lounge Group knows that this was the correct and just response to the actions of the players in question, criticism from the wider gaming community has prompted it to reappraise its recent actions. In turn the Vegas VIP Lounge has decided to pay the offending players their "winnings" (payments will be processed by 9 pm GMT on 07/12/06). The Vegas VIP Lounge would like to emphasise that the circumstances relating to this case are quite different from any other that it has encountered before. The players involved in these illegitimate playing activities have been both highly organised and inventive in their methods. Therefore, although their accounts will be reopened and winnings paid, the Vegas VIP Lounge Casino reserves the right to take whatever actions it sees as necessary should any of these players display any further signs of engaging in exploitative playing activities.

[mucullus]

If Vegas VIP Lounge had disclosed some more details on the circumstances of these case the gaming community may have been able to understand the casinos' judgement.

With the information presented in several threads and the concurrent lack of communication by this group of casinos how could anyone come to the conclusion that VVL took the "correct and just" action?

With all due respect, your statement is bad crisis PR.

[MadMat]

I played the same "system" on over a dozen mg Casinos through november. all but one paid me out when I won. (and I didn't win everywhere)

And I fail to see how playing the games you offer on the software you provide can be deemed exploitative abusive play!

Feel free to close my accounts, nothing in the world would entice me to redeposit at any of your casinos.

Mat

[soflat]

Originally Posted by MadMat

I played the same "system" on over a dozen mg Casinos through november. all but one paid me out when I won. (and I didn't win everywhere)

What system were you playing?

[MadMat]

Originally Posted by soflat

What system were you playing?

LOL I've worked out a way to profit from slots only bonuses, and you want me to post it on here for everyone!

do your own homework

Mat

[soflat]

LOL. I didn't know this involved some super secret winning slot system. Good luck.

[MadMat]

Originally Posted by soflat

LOL. I didn't know this involved some super secret winning slot system. Good luck.

I'd happily sell "MadMats Super Secret Beat the Online Slots System" for $100 to anyone who wants a copy!

If I sell enough copies the system will have worked

Mat

[vinylweatherman]

So, now even playing slots with a 5% house edge on a bonus with 20x WR AND a requirement to exit with D+2xB at the end can not only be beaten, but in an exploitative manner.
Clearly, playing slots on a slots only bonus is now bonus abuse (the more common term for exploitative play). This amounts to saying players are not permitted to even TRY to win with the sign-up bonus.
This is often the WHOLE DAMN POINT of signing up, you see the terms, and feel you have at least a fair chance of winning enough to make it worth while placing your own funds at risk. This is NOT a "free chip" players deposited their own funds as well, and these were most certainly at risk.

It would seem that Vegas Affiliates and players are suggesting that the explotation was to play "certain specific slot games", and in a "certain manner".
WTF, press "spin"!!! It's bloody RANDOM, and with a house edge of 5%!
The only strategy on slots is to press "spin". We have been told there are NO PATTERNS, NO NON-RANDOM STRATEGIES/CYCLES in these slots. Yet not only do these players claim to have a winning slots system, the damn casino has admitted it is TRUE that "RANDOM" slot games can be beaten, and have reignited a debate about the possibility of the online games being "RIGGED" by inadvertantly suggesting that, perhaps, maybe, in some way they are!

The only comparison to this affair is getting banned for playing and winning on a UK pub "Fruit Machine", games that are about as random as Newtonian mechanics and planetary orbits.

I am sure many other players will be interested, and I suspect the endorsement of the casino industry will make these players a tidy sum and create a big headache for the industry.
If this turns out to be a software bug it will be too funny It takes MG forever to fix these!

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by MadMat

I'd happily sell "MadMats Super Secret Beat the Online Slots System" for $100 to anyone who wants a copy!

If I sell enough copies the system will have worked

Mat

I think I know the system, but am utterly gobsmacked that it actually WORKS, because it really shouldn't unless the games are merely pseudorandom rather than fully random.

My own ideas are based on looking for the way the scatters fall in the free spin slots to predict bonus rounds, and also the way that the "hotness" and "coldness" of some slots varies with coin size and sometimes coins per line. It seems to alter a scatter dropping cycle that they don't have because they are random

I tried such an idea last week on Munchkins, and did not manage to turn £50 into £1000 by betting into, and out of, various scatter fall patterns. I didn't bet progressively in certain situations as this could not work due to the random nature of the game. In the end I didn't withdraw £1000 after deciding that enough was enough, and luck still played a huge part in all this.
Luckily, the casino had instant Neteller payments, so I DIDN'T HAVE TO WAIT



Ps - That WAS the punchline - nothing more to come!

[MadMat]

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

Yet not only do these players claim to have a winning slots system

I think your sarcasm detector might be broken matey . . . .