Vegas Joker and Vegas Country not paying!!

[vinylweatherman]

Please tell,
We are all puzzled by this. In a reply to the forum we have been told this was not Fraud, nor was it a scam, and it was not even bonus abuse!

The only clue was that it was a winning slots system, one which has now been elevated from the status of "snake oil", to one of potential interest by the admission by word and action from the casino, that it actually WORKS!

One player at least suggests that a bonus is not required!
The only LEGAL slot systems of that nature are all based on the games having a non-random element to them that can be exploited by the knowledgeable player. This is not something I have been lead to believe is a factor in games from reputable software companies such as Microgaming.

[soflat]

Please tell,
We are all puzzled by this. In a reply to the forum we have been told this was not Fraud, nor was it a scam, and it was not even bonus abuse!

The only clue was that it was a winning slots system, one which has now been elevated from the status of "snake oil", to one of potential interest by the admission by word and action from the casino, that it actually WORKS!

Yeah, and if there is a secret you don't have to give up the whole thing.

It is something so incredible that the casino cannot mention it and they have never seen before

But it wasn't cheating, or any of the usual culprits.

Was it a system?

A syndicate?

Or what?

Why were you guys all playing the same game? Or were you?

[sorry4me]

I believe that this group was indeed hit by some fraudulent players this past summer as has been mentioned in various threads. I also believe this casino group is now trying correct a recent mistake. My greatest criticism concerned their non-responsive behavior. This is probably a form letter that was sent to all the accounts that were locked and then reopened. Anyways, I'm satisfied now that I have received a response and that I have been paid the money that I won while playing at their casino. As for my play, I would like to say that I am the first one in history to devise some grand betting system that can beat a casino game, however that would be ridiculous. Anyways, this group appears to be paying their players now and that's a good thing. Hopefully, they will continue to reform their image since it is very upsetting to see Microgamining mentioned on the Rogued list.

Edit: To specifically answer some of the questions raised while I was typing my original response, which is more likely, a casino made a mistake or that their is some secret system or grand conspiracy? Come on! This is a forum for discussing complaints and casinos not a conspiracy theory forum ... right?

[eeeee]

Reasonable casino behavior -
Accept $, Accept Bets, Ban, Pay, then Change the deal after learning lessons

Questionable casino behavior -
Accept $, Accept Bets, Delay payment through ruses and bans and redirects and document requests, Obscure and misinterpret the deal, finally Pay

Unreasonable casino behavior -
Accept $, Accept Bets, Ban, then Ignore and keep all funds



There are many other casinos that follow the Reasonable path. You don't hear about them here.

Questionable behavior is typically dealt to an advantage player about 20% of the time. Not OK, but to be expected now and then. No pleasure play for you!

I've played a ton of places, and avoided Unreasonable casinos/poker rooms all but twice. There's no excuse for it.

I'm not sure I can imagine fraud, unless it has to do with misrepresented ID with bonuses or code hacking. Please elaborate if I'm wrong. 'Fraud' label cannot fairly be applied to

• lucky winners,
• bonus abusers,
• advantage players,
• or vinylweatherman's 'non-random event.'

The casinos have ALL the advantages, and have no moral qualms taking amazing amounts of money from sick or stupid clients. Can you think of ONE advantage the player has, other than entertainment? The only time the player has an advantage is when the casino GIVES them an advantage. And then the casino keeps all the money too, then acts indignant and claims fraud and shuts down player contact? Bad, wrong, evil!

From minVegas begrudging tone and silence of the details, I conjecture MG somehow forced miniVegas to pay out, or even subsidized the payout to protect their overall reputation. IF so, and as intimated in the rep's post, in the future miniVegas will behave in the same unpredictable, untrustworthy way. And MG is brilliant, if they did this -- they cut potential losses to their brand image and damage to the entire industry.

MG
miniVegas

[VegasVIP Lounge]

The Minivegas Group of which the Vegas Joker and Vegas Country Casinos are members, has issued the following statement:

The Minivegas Group would like to express its sincerest regret over a recent dispute that has arisen between the Casino Group and a number of players that are known to have been partaking in what can only be described as exploitative and abusive playing activities.

Following an in-depth investigation of this case, the Minivegas Group initially took the decision to lock the offending player's accounts and refund their initial deposits.
Although the Minivegas Group knows that this was the correct and just response to the actions of the players in question, criticism from the wider gaming community has prompted it to reappraise its recent actions. In turn the Minivegas Group has decided to pay the offending players their winnings. The Minivegas Group would like to emphasise that the circumstances relating to this case are quite different from any other that it has encountered before. The casino group cannot release full details relating to this case due to the implications it holds for its partners and for the wider security of the Casino.

The players involved in these illegitimate playing activities have been both highly organised and inventive in their methods. Therefore, although their accounts will be reopened and winnings paid, the Minivegas Group reserves the right to take whatever actions it sees as necessary should these players display any further signs of engaging in exploitative playing activities.

Finally, the Minivegas Group would like to once again emphasize that it pays millions of winners every year without delay or hassle. It is a fact that wherever the Casino Group has made a genuine error, it has always done all that it can to compensate the players in question.

[wolfman]

We read that in another thread a couple of days ago. What are you trying to achieve by copying an old post into multiple threads? A very poor and ill-thought out response to all the questions that have been asked since you posted it the first time.

[catcat941]

its wierd , arnt they affiliate with vegaspokercasino ? should the y not b ok over that? unless closing up

[vinylweatherman]

its wierd , arnt they affiliate with vegaspokercasino ? should the y not b ok over that? unless closing up

Do you have some kind of agenda. This thread is from 2006, nearly FOUR YEARS AGO.

CLEARLY, they have NOT "closed up" because of this issue.

I know EXACTLY what happened, and have even posted the details after MGS fixed it at the end of the year (after waiting a while just in case).

If you can find this thread, I am sure you can dig out my explanation, and dredge that thread up too.

I have noticed that you have made similar remarks on a number of threads, and this is why I am wondering if you have some kind of agenda, such as having been ripped off by a casino.