ENGLISH HARBOUR POLL

**kengam** · 7th June 2006, 02:33 AM

since there is no more information to ponder, I think it is time for a new poll.

**elscrabinda** · 7th June 2006, 02:49 AM

I voted 'not sure' because thats the only realistic option in my eyes. Whats more important is "would you ever want to play there again?"

There's parallels with this and my dear leader Tony Blair taking us into a war on a false pretext. Either he's a evil manipulative liar or he's too stupid to have known better. either way he shouldn't be running the country. Ditto with EH. Either they are out and out cheats with a proven track record of cheating and likely to offend again or their software and/or management is not up to the job of operating a casino. Either way any confidence placed in them is misplaced in my opinion

**Aindreas_Daoc** · 7th June 2006, 02:59 AM

I think I'll echo elscrabinda. I don't know if there was cheating or just an honest mistake. Either way, it was a bad.

However, there are literally more casinos online than I could possibly ever download, so there is really no reason for me to play at one I am suspicious of.

**TheBloke** · 7th June 2006, 04:04 AM

Yeah, these options are not appropriate and require the participant to make a guess based on partial information.

The appropriate question is the one asked in the original, surpressed, poll - "Would you play at EH again?"

My answer to that question is, obviously, no. That answer would not change regardless of whether it was a genuine mistake or a deliberate cheat - either way I would never trust them again.

I'd suggest you kill this and recreate the original poll.

**kengam** · 7th June 2006, 04:33 AM

Can't we assume that anyone answering b or c would never play at English Harbour? I am trying to establish players' thoughts on if it was accidental and if it had happened before.

**soflat** · 7th June 2006, 04:48 AM

I hate to see another poll go down the drain. But if folks don't see the option they want, it is not going to give a good representation of how they feel.

Everyone's opinion is valid, with or without more information.

How about people suggest what answers they would like to see for the question: Would you play at EH?

Here are a few possible answers to include:
1. Yes. It is a good reputable casino and/or Spearmaster's analysis was convincing.
2. No, they cheated
3. No, they have inadequate controls.
4. No, unless they provided the information needed
5. I don't know. Maybe with a great bonus.

**TheBloke** · 7th June 2006, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by soflat

I hate to see another poll go down the drain. But if folks don't see the option they want, it is not going to give a good representation of how they feel.

Everyone's opinion is valid, with or without more information.

How about people suggest what answers they would like to see for the question: Would you play at EH?

Here are a few possible answers to include:
1. Yes. It is a good reputable casino and/or Spearmaster's analysis was convincing.
2. No, they cheated
3. No, they have inadequate controls.
4. No, unless they provided the information needed
5. I don't know. Maybe with a great bonus.

Yeah I like these options - suitably granular, and it would be interesting to know the reasons rather than a yes or no.

In order to ensure all bases are covered, I would expand it thus:

Question: Would you play at EH again?
1. Yes - they made a genuine mistake and have dealt with it correclty
2. Yes - they didn't deal with it correctly but I dont think it will be repeated
3. Yes - I don't care/have no opinion, I'll play anyway
4. No - they cheated
5. No - they have inadequate controls/testing
6. No - unless they provide past logs
7. Undecided

Too granular? Maybe, but I dont think it'd stop people voting and we'd see exactly how people feel.

**Simmo!** · 7th June 2006, 10:19 AM

The mere fact that people would even care to vote would be to reflect their opinions on the "non-random results" case thus it will be an overwhelming "no" vote, so why the need for a poll at all?

And in this poll, you'll also find about half the posters thinking they "cheated" and the other half saying "not sure" because we don't know, and never will, whether it was intended. So that should save some time

I do think that the case should be kept in the public eye, if only because it was accepted that the software served up non-random results and people need to be aware of that so they can form their own opinions. But the need for even more threads seems pointless as does the need to have verified what we already know with a poll on the subject. It's already pretty much guaranteed a place in folklore here and elsewhere and will no doubt win some awards when the year comes to a close

**kengam** · 7th June 2006, 01:59 PM

put up another poll if you guys want. This one suits my purpose. It doesn't look like anyone trusts this outfit's excuse. Well they do have one vote of trust. Gee I wonder who that was. So far the results are overwhelming.

**spearmaster** · 7th June 2006, 02:17 PM

Your insinuation is not appreciated - furthermore, I am not voting in this poll because it makes no sense. It is clear this is your agenda - you have stated that it serves YOUR purpose.

It ought to be patently clear now who has agendas and who doesn't.