Mathematical Proof that English Harbour is cheating

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by kengam

I apologize to all the members of this forum for getting out of hand with some of these posts. I have issues with English Harbour/Odds ON and had been skeptical about their integrity after losing a lot of dough playing video poker and using the double up feature over the past few years. When my attention was first brought to this thread I was sure that the same was happening to TheLawnet as happened to me and my colleagues. This is what caused me to be angry and post with haste. I am sure that a full audit into this double up game over the past few years would reveal that the game was gaffed early on.

We played the double up extensively as a group and surely our stats alone would put a dent in the overall numbers at this game even if it wasn't happening to everyone. My group concluded that they had caught on to the practice of using double up for advantaged play. We thought it was likely that advantaged gamblers were being targeted directly and a fix was placed into the double up game. All our numbers as far as frequency of royals, 4oak, flush, etc were all within parameters of a fair and random game. Amazingly close to expectation in fact.

The double up stats were a different story altogether. Finding them in use of a gaffed double up game back in April should have been enough to warrant a full investigation and complete audit. I am not at liberty to provide the complete stats of my team. I shouldn't have to. Many of those involved have moved on and some are still very actively involved in advantaged gambling to not want to draw attention to theirselves. The amount lost in this venture was only a fraction of what some are earning today.

I have always respected Spearmaster. I do not think he handled this issue very well, however. I do not understand why he did not push for them to release numbers from year's past. He seemed to be on their defensive side from day one. In my opinion, he gave them a reason to be silent and also gave them a reason for not releasing more information as far as past history of the double up game. I do not think he meant to harm our chances at the truth, but it happened anyway IMO.

As far as reputation points, I do not care that I am in the negative. Spear and Bryan can take away 15 points each time as they have. I tend to think that only looks worse for them. We do not have this power.


Administrators and moderators (Simmo!, Spearmaster, Vortran, and Casinomeister) can give or take away 15 points.

Thanks Kengam. I think that was the first posting in a while that I could read through without getting riled up

I understand your frustration with the previous years, but this wasn't what the issue at hand was. We were looking at specifically what had happened at the beginning of this thread.

As for the rep points thing. The mods have a power of 15 so that it can't be abused. Rep points are calculated by how long you've been a member, how often you post, how many rep points others give you etc. etc. Oldtimers have way more power than others. If I didn't set mine at 15, it would be 80 something, Spear's is 22 if he wasn't a moderator, Jetset's is 58, etc. There is more info here on this:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ion_points.php

[mitch]

Originally Posted by kengam

As far as reputation points, I do not care that I am in the negative. Spear and Bryan can take away 15 points each time as they have. I tend to think that only looks worse for them. We do not have this power.


Administrators and moderators (Simmo!, Spearmaster, Vortran, and Casinomeister) can give or take away 15 points.

Your wrong here Kengam, a lot of members do have this power and to a much greater extent than Spear, Meister et al.

Better not get on the wrong side of Jetset for instance -58 if you do.

Mitch

(EDIT.......Just seen that Bryan posted above whilst I was writing this.)

[Slotster!]

Originally Posted by mitch

Better not get on the wrong side of Jetset for instance -58 if you do.

How does that work then?

I've always said Jetset was a GREAT bloke! Salt of the earth! Lovely lovely chap!

[kengam]

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

I understand your frustration with the previous years, but this wasn't what the issue at hand was. We were looking at specifically what had happened at the beginning of this thread.

I think it is very much related to the issue at the beginning of this thread. I do not see how anyone can think it isn't relevant. In order to prove it was an honest mistake EH first must prove that it only happened in April like they said. How are we to know that this honest mistake didn't occur in the past? Why would you take their word for it? If we took their original word then the bug still would be uindiscovered.

[Linus]

Bloke - nice post, sir. You said it better than I could.

Originally Posted by TheBloke

CM - I do not believe that they deliberately cheated, and I still think they should be rogued:

• Their quality control is non-existant or so poor that it allowed unfinished, untested and faulty code to make it to their production system
• This code persisted for two weeks without being picked up
• Their initial statement on the matter was patently false
• They have refused to respond to numerous requests from numerous people (not just the zealots like kengam) to make further comment and/or release further logs

I believe that other groups have been rogued for less - for example Grand Prive. I would play at Grand Prive 1000 times over before I played here again. I simply cannot conceive of such dire technical processes being allowed at a major casino group. I worked in both coding and quality assurance for some years, and a cock-up of this magnitude would have had vast repercussions for my company. I do not think it is right for EH to get away so lightly.

Personally I feel that they should be rogued, and anything less than Not Recommended is a travesty.

I just want to re-iterate that I DO NOT think they cheated, and that I feel the above based purely on their farsical approach to quality control; as you say, a casino is a serious business. They have made an unforgivable mistake which highlights their disinterest in producing a quality product, and they must be punished for it.

[Linus]

Kengam - I looked up "Online Player's Association." It looked like any other banner farm, to me. Are you saying they were legit at one time?

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by Linus

Kengam - I looked up "Online Player's Association." It looked like any other banner farm, to me. Are you saying they were legit at one time?

Some threads/links to check out:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...sociation.html

http://casinomeister.com/newsletter/....html#article2

[suzecat]

Originally Posted by Slotster!

How does that work then?

I've always said Jetset was a GREAT bloke! Salt of the earth! Lovely lovely chap!

Seconded!

[henryVIII]

Anyway, meanwhile, a casino with cheating software and false audit claims continues to roll on ...

[suzecat]

Originally Posted by henryVIII

Anyway, meanwhile, a casino with cheating software and false audit claims continues to roll on ...

IMO the effect of these events on EH's bottom line (which history suggests will not be made public) is a good result and one that is satisfactory. I can feel the dissent as I type and since we can't cyber draw/quarter or tar/feather, we are left to vote for/against EH with our feet -- same as any other software developer/provider.