Mathematical Proof that English Harbour is cheating

[nafanny29]

I couldnt resist either. Mine are:

Tie 19
Win 61
Lose 120

Not good at all. Always thought English Harbour were dodgy anyway before this.

[Zoozie]

Originally Posted by Simmo!

Won Hands: 65

Lost Hands: 115

Thanks Simmo, though I have no comments to the results
It is good to have these data from a unquestionably reliable source.

Zoozie

[tennis_balls]

i just did a 100 hand sample of the doubling feature using the 4 handed deuces wild on play money version of Caribbean Gold

Sample: 100

Ties: 5

Wins: 36

Losses: 59

also i noticed several instances where the program would suggest that I hold less than optimum cards. Once I got dealt a pair of deuces and the program suggested to hold a 7 as well. Another time I got dealt 4 to a deuces wild royal flush and the program suggested to hold all 5 cards for a straight.

[sk2005]

so, if my calculation is not wrong, the results of 13 members of this forum playing vp doubling game at Oddson's (or vegastechnology) casinos are:

wins 522
losses 1015

or , for every one win- two losses. Not exactly 50/50 game

[Macgyver]

I think (and it's just my own personal, subjective opinion) that people should be concentrating on English Harbour rather than the software provider.

If proof is obtained on English Harbour specifically, then move on to another casino that uses the same software and prove that the doubling there isn't 50/50.

Basically, let's stick to what the title of this thread says and not clutter it with other casinos who use the same software.

That may just be me, though ...

[gfkostas]

Originally Posted by Macgyver

I think (and it's just my own personal, subjective opinion) that people should be concentrating on English Harbour rather than the software provider.

If proof is obtained on English Harbour specifically, then move on to another casino that uses the same software and prove that the doubling there isn't 50/50.

Basically, let's stick to what the title of this thread says and not clutter it with other casinos who use the same software.

That may just be me, though ...

I agree. Also thelawnet should be credited for bringing this into our attention.

[sirius]

One of my first forum posts on my site (on the day it was launched over 3 years ago) was to say how useless and misleading these payout percentage audits were and even specifically mentioned how the WizardOfOdds service was a bad idea and basically unethical. His 'Certified Fair Gaming' seal is displayed for all OddsOn software casinos after doing a deal with them to perform monthly audits. Other casinos also given his seal included the infamous Hampton and Portofino RTG sites.

Now it turns out that the doubling feature on the VP is not a fair game at all on the English Harbour Group but seems fair for others using the software. I don't think anyone can deny it unless everyone on this forum is lying about their results. In case people have forgotten or don't know, this group was acquired by the VIP Sports group (Leisure and Gaming PLC) for $2,750,000 in December 2005.

[Linus]

It's amazing these casinos aren't satisfied with the house advantage games - they have to outright cheat the players on top of that.

Since they are "above the law" (I guess "beyond the law" is a better phrase) - there's little anyone can do about it. I suspect they'll notice this thread, eventually, and adjust their software. Either way, if they're willing to cheat their players so obviously, in such an simple game, there's no reason to think the rest of their software is fair.

The only defense players have is to spread the word. Let your friends know to stay away.

[EyeOnPosting]

I just spent a couple hours testing there software and have determined everything is Fair.

139 wins
145 losses
18 ties

[Zoozie]

Originally Posted by EyeOnPosting

I just spent a couple hours testing there software and have determined everything is Fair.

139 wins
145 losses
18 ties

Which was why it was important we collected some data fast, which several members did. I am not surprised the picture has changed, the question was how long it would take.

Zoozie