Mathematical Proof that English Harbour is cheating

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by kengam

This was your quote of me talking shit. Excuse me from expressing how I feel but as you have already found out I am not alone in my thinking. I implore you to relieve yourself of your efforts in this matter. You are not getting us any closer to the truth and are only acting as EH's shield. My post was not talking shit. It is what I truly believe and apparently others too. Be a moderator, and don't try to act as an omnipotent internet investigative reporter. You are a moderator. To us posting, that is what you are. Dont assume power and authority over this issue.

"making a mess of"
"obviously become"
"losing your wit and patience"
"only acting as EH's shield"
"omnipotent"
"assume power and authority"

All of this is talking shit, Kengam, and in just TWO posts. There is no question of that. This is a personal attack and not related to the issue whatsoever.

The next time will earn you your vacation. Either keep to the issue at hand or take a break yourself.

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by 120sam

Spearmaster - I have no issue with your personal integrity, you've put in a lot of hard work with the best of intentions and I appreciate it.

I said in my first post that one result of EH's refusal to respond to issues on this thread would be a general fall in the level of debate and an increase in personal bickering. Well in my case I'm afraid it's become true, because rather than sit and stare at my screen in impotent fury at EH's silence, I have been venting, resorting to sarcasm and generally been expressing myself in a manner unworthy of myself and this thread.

I have therefore decided to ban myself from making any further postings on it. I have nothing new to say, and there is nothing left worth hanging around for for me, EH aren't going to take questions and I'm not interested in the deliberate / incompetence debate.

So before I get into a time-consuming semantics argument about which of the words potty, shit, asshole etc are most offensive, I shall bow out with what little dignity I have left.

I appreciate that 120sam - I know that you are not attacking me personally. However - my post immediately above shows who is making personal attacks and how. And there is a limit to how much of that I will tolerate, whether it is directed at me or anyone else.

edit -> oh, and by the way, just before my 29-hour flight back home, I actually tried to ban MYSELF because I was sure I was going to lose it.

Unfortunately, I found out that I can't ban myself... LOL... and fortunately I managed to hold myself together, and I did sleep well on the flight after all

[kengam]

"making a mess of"
"obviously become"
"losing your wit and patience"
"only acting as EH's shield"
"omnipotent"
"assume power and authority"


what part of my opinions here do you feel insulted by? You need a thicker skin if you can't take this kind of criticism. I believe all of this to be true. You have exhibited a little of all of this within the last week or so. If you are going to ban me for stating how I feel about your involvement then you are not handling things very well. Maybe you should take a step back and re-evaluate your involvement in the situation (note-constructive criticism). I appreciate the thought behind your effort, but not your efforts per se.

I am not attacking you personally. I am attacking the way you are handling this. Personally I would rather hear from English Harbour and not you. The more you defend them the less chance I get to see this happen. And lets be honest here, you have been defending them since day one. They do not deserve your services, and quite frankly you do not deserve the inevitable treatment you are getting by defending a proven cheater. Let the one who was caught cheating defend itself. And before you say your definition of cheating... mine is any casino, knowingly or not, who has used software that produces an unfair advantage over unsuspecting players.

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by kengam

"making a mess of"
"obviously become"
"losing your wit and patience"
"only acting as EH's shield"
"omnipotent"
"assume power and authority"


what part of my opinions here do you feel insulted by? You need a thicker skin if you can't take this kind of criticism. I believe all of this to be true. You have exhibited a little of all of this within the last week or so. If you are going to ban me for stating how I feel about your involvement then you are not handling things very well. Maybe you should take a step back and re-evaluate your involvement in the situation (note-constructive criticism). I appreciate the thought behind your effort, but not your efforts per se.

What I personally feel about this is irrelevant. Criticism is fine too. But you state all of the above as if it were fact - and that constitutes a personal attack.

edit -> And by the way, although I couldn't ban myself, I just discovered that I *could* remove myself as a moderator, so I have done so. Now we're on a level playing field.

And lets be honest here, you have been defending them since day one.

You got it wrong. Every defendant has the right to a fair trial. Many of you were intent on preventing that.

[Casinomeister]

I thought Spear was going to come back early next Monday or so to finish this up? Why doesn't everybody just take a break from this thread or at least let Spear take care of what he needs to take care of instead of hammering away in the forum.

And let's chill out a bit, eh?

As for "potty mouth language" this is usually frowned upon when it's a direct insult to another member like "suck cxxk you fxxk-wad." That's what I mean. I and others use the "f" or "s" word occasionally in the forum without a problem.

Originally Posted by 120sam

...I am actually a big fan of Fortune Lounge, and the fact that they are in the rogue pit for "bad marketing strategy" while English Harbour hide behind a wall of silence with the support of a moderator shows how arbitrary the little regulation we have in this industry is. But hey, this is CM's site and he makes the rules and if you don't like it ...

When was FL admitted to the rogue pit? I just stopped endorsing them, that's all and that's a big difference.

[kengam]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

You got it wrong. Every defendant has the right to a fair trial. Many of you were intent on preventing that.

Then let them go on trial. The only statement they issued here on day one of the trial turned out to be perjury. They did not ask you to defend them so why do you insist on it? Put them on the stand and not you. You were not caught cheating, they were. You did not deny it, they did.

[spearmaster]

Originally Posted by kengam

Then let them go on trial. The only statement they issued here on day one of the trial turned out to be perjury. They did not ask you to defend them so why do you insist on it? Put them on the stand and not you. You were not caught cheating, they were. You did not deny it, they did.

As I have said time and time again, I am intent on finding the truth. I am not judge or jury - the players are.

What I have been posting are my own personal findings based on investigating their code and other information which I have received. If that is defending them, then it is a passive defense.

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

...What I have been posting are my own personal findings based on investigating their code and other information which I have received. If that is defending them, then it is a passive defense.

That's pretty much on the spot.

It's really sad seeing this thread spiral downward into a pile of crap. Perhaps some of you need to turn off your computers and walk away from it all for a couple of days.

[kengam]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

As I have said time and time again, I am intent on finding the truth. I am not judge or jury - the players are.

What I have been posting are my own personal findings based on investigating their code and other information which I have received. If that is defending them, then it is a passive defense.

Why not ask them the truth? The truth should be in their double up logs which they have refused to release. You have been acting as judge with your threats of banning posters. We are not looking for how they cheated. We are looking for whether or not this was the first and only time they cheated. Your holy code will not tell you that no matter what kind of spin you put on it.

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by kengam

...You have been acting as judge with your threats of banning posters...

The only time posters have been banned is when they don't have the self discipline to control themselves. You being one of them. Chill or take a walk. That's your last warning.