Mathematical Proof that English Harbour is cheating

[caruso]

Originally Posted by caruso

The only difference is that the Casino Bar test was set up in the correct manner, whereas here we're selectively looking backwards at data which fits the contention.

My mistake. The initial test was specifically set up to test the hypothesis, and as such followed exactly the correct protocol for statistical analysis - and the exact same protocol as the Casino Bar experiment.

[Aindreas_Daoc]

Originally Posted by Aindreas_Daoc

I tried looking just now, but couldn't find a history log. Live chat said that there is no play-check type feature, but that you can request play history directly from them.

Edit: I just requested the logs via e-mail. However, it is unclear whether they even record play money games. The support person terminated chat before I had a chance to ask.

Update: EH apparently does not log play money hands. I recieved my game logs from the time I tested the VP doubling, but none of the play money games were included.

[Simmo!]

Originally Posted by Aindreas_Daoc

Update: EH apparently does not log play money hands. I recieved my game logs from the time I tested the VP doubling, but none of the play money games were included.

Thats pretty standard across the industry as far as I am aware but anyway AD.

[thelawnet]

Originally Posted by thelawnet

I was suspicious of the fairness of the doubling on English Harbour's video poker. So I deposited and carefully recorded data for over an hour, doubling after every win, except I collected any large wins, and recording for each double the result, win, lose or push.

I played until I lost all my money (playing 4 line, single coin, recording wins, losses and ties on the doubling game (I did not record the video poker itself - I was only concerned with the double).

According to my data, it is 99.999% certain that English Harbour is not offering a fair doubling game in their Tens or Better video poker game.

Although nothing is completely certain, 99.999% would be good enough to convict a man and sentence him to death, so I think it is good enough for any reasonable person in the world to be satisfied that English Harbour is a cheating casino.

Here are my results:
84 wins
151 losses
19 ties

English Harbour sent me the logs.

My tally was very accurate except that I missed one of the losses. This makes things slightly worse for English Harbour.

The exact results were 19 ties, 84 wins, 152 losses.

I attach the results in CSV format.

As it seems that English Harbour have full logs and are handing them over, this looks very bad for them.

[dirk_dangerous]

Originally Posted by thelawnet

English Harbour sent me the logs.

My tally was very accurate except that I missed one of the losses. This makes things slightly worse for English Harbour.

The exact results were 19 ties, 84 wins, 152 losses.

I attach the results in CSV format.

As it seems that English Harbour have full logs and are handing them over, this looks very bad for them.

Sounds like Odds-On threw the "cheat switch" and then turned it back to fair.

I expect the usual "oh there was a software mistake" excuse.

Frankly, I will always declare every Odds-on casino as cheaters. The evidence is already here IMO.

CM and the rest of you portal owners; you really should drop all Odds-On casinos without any delay.

[jeremiahsjohnso]

At least they are handing the logs over. This should end any possibility of a cover up assuming the Wizard gets access to the same files (or at least, the doubles records).

The next question: what does the casino do once the fix is proven (by the Wizard)?

[spearmaster]

I repeat again - insinuations and accusations should be avoided for the time being. Although the first time was a request, this time it's a warning - until such time as we hear from the auditing parties, no more speculation of this sort, otherwise you will be speculating on vacation.

The fact that logs are being handed over to players should indicate some sincerity, for crying out loud. What program do you know will damn themselves like that if they were trying to hide the problem?

[Linus]

They're our logs of our own play - which have already been recorded here. How does turning them over damn them?

Wouldn't refusing to turn them over be an admission of guilt?

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by dirk_dangerous

...CM and the rest of you portal owners; you really should drop all Odds-On casinos without any delay.

This was done yesterday. There were two Oddson casinos in Casinomeister's accreditted section (Fire and Ice, Hotpepper). They'll be placed back there if or when I feel comfortable with the results and resolution from this thread.

[dovmin]

I want to share my thoery of what happened with the English harbour group let me know what you all think.


Theory number one, I got response from my mathematician friend and he had to say and he is right. The chance of that kind of result happening is possible but the chance that this kind of result is happening exactly when this guy tested them is zero.

They absolutely cheated, you might say it was not deliberately but I doubt it.

Theory number 2: I see in their terms and condition that many games are excluded for bonuses.

I bet that many bonus whoring players came there and use the doubling figure to maximize their winnings building their balance up and only then play the games which carry a high house edge.

The casino understood they need to fix their doubling figure to eliminate that and that what he did.

I played there and I can say that according to my feeling only no calculations two games are rigged there.

One, their Roulette and second the doubling at any Videopoker.

I remember casino bar response to the Wizard of odds issue, I remember they mentioned the fact there is a lot of bonus abuse in the industry and this is very hard to manage a casino anyway. Casinobar implied that of the line that they cheated to overcome the bonus abusers and I believe this is the reason a casino want to cheat.

They don't need to cheat in order to win without bonuses.

They need the cheating figure to cope with the chargebacker and Bonus abuser.