Ladbrokes casino, cant believe what ive just seen

**scrollock** · 4th April 2006, 08:00 AM

just been playing laddies live casino, got dealt a 10 v 10, dealer then goes into shoe and pulls out a card which shes turn side onto to me (what the fuck that my card!!!!!) she then pulls another put of the shoe and puts its on mine (8 i think it was) and the ace is promptly put down on her 10.

this all happened and i'm obviously thinking ive got the the wrong end of the the stick here, but i'm watching for it happening again and she fucking does it again (i.e. the card what would of made me the winner was dealt to her). so the the trick is from these webcam peoples to take the card from the shoe, turn it side on (so it disappears) and then quickly get another from the shoe.

believe me, i did not imagine this and i have already discussed the matter with ladbrokes security.

**Webzcas** · 4th April 2006, 11:03 AM

Interesting! The live dealer is run by a third party for Ladbrokes Casino and is not operated in Gibraltar, I believe it is Costa Rica.

I will be very interested to hear what the Security Team get back to you with.

**cipher** · 4th April 2006, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by scrollock

just been playing laddies live casino, got dealt a 10 v 10, dealer then goes into shoe and pulls out a card which shes turn side onto to me (what the fuck that my card!!!!!) she then pulls another put of the shoe and puts its on mine (8 i think it was) and the ace is promptly put down on her 10.

this all happened and i'm obviously thinking ive got the the wrong end of the the stick here, but i'm watching for it happening again and she fucking does it again (i.e. the card what would of made me the winner was dealt to her). so the the trick is from these webcam peoples to take the card from the shoe, turn it side on (so it disappears) and then quickly get another from the shoe.

believe me, i did not imagine this and i have already discussed the matter with ladbrokes security.

Hi Scrollock:

This is the type of thing you'd want to get on Video. I use Camtasia in videoing a lot of my sessions. It might be worth a try.

Have a good one.

**Webzcas** · 4th April 2006, 09:48 PM

Scrollock, I've been in contact with a former colleague of mine at Ladbrokes who is the Customer Services Manager for Ladbrokes in Gibraltar regarding this issue with Live Dealer.

Can you please email him direct, he has had a look at the thread but needs more information - I'll send you a PM with his email address.

**tennis_balls** · 4th April 2006, 10:46 PM

that has to be one of the nastiest things I've ever heard a woman do while on webcam. (though I would bet that andyhickley has viewed far worse)

**Simmo!** · 4th April 2006, 11:38 PM

Actually, irrespective of this particular case, this raises a very interesting issue.

In a land casino, you'll have several ppl around a table so this sort of stunt won't be pulled - even if an honest mistake occurs, it will be quickly dealt with. Online, you're oblivious to the other players, or at least probably not able to chat with them I guess, so it's just you vs. the dealer. Also, how many players are going to set up video grabs for every session they play? Plus, of course, there's no "Playcheck" facility so it really is your word against theirs.

This would make me very nervous of playing online against a live dealer to be honest. Not something I, or maybe many others, had ever considered! Also, how do you know the roulette real is legit, the pack has all 52 cards present or even that the video feed isnt being tampered with?

Maybe there's something to be said for the accredited RNG and automated (ie: non tamperable!) game logs after all!

Player: "You missed a card"
Dealer "No i didnt"
Player "Yes you did"
Dealer "No i didn't"
Player "Yes you did" ...< repeat to fade >...

I'm not saying this happens of course, just that it "could" happen, even an innocent dealing mistake could occur inadvertantly.

**GrandMaster** · 5th April 2006, 12:03 AM

Casinos I have been to have cameras everywhere, and if you have a disagreement, for example, you believe the dealer paid you incorrectly, you can get the tape reviewed. Live dealer online casinos should be able to store the the video they are transmitting. The typical transmission rate is 120 kb/s, which works out at just over 1GB for a whole day without compression and storage is cheap these days.

**bb1webs** · 5th April 2006, 04:04 AM

Hi all,

I believe Grandmaster is correct. It would be very ignorant of any casino: online or otherwise to not have some sort of security camera set up on every table.

Ladbrokes should be able to view the situation and act appropriately.

If they don't have a camera on each table then I would think this is a long-overdue wake up call. HELLO?

Geez how cheap ... or ignorant can you be? but I'll stop ranting as I'm sure they had a camera set up.

This will be interesting to see how it comes out.

**phynqster** · 5th April 2006, 10:09 AM

Haveing been in Costa Rica I can only make hearsay comments. I had an employee who had worked in the live casinos in Costa Rica and she showed me some things that the dealers there were taught, like pulling the second card from the shoe if they knew the first card was a 10, since the cards were marked, or manipulate the roulette ball in the cage. He also told me that when the on line casinos were opening with live dealers he said that they were being taught to manipulate outcomes. I have no factual knoweldge, I just know I have never played in any of the "live" on line casinos.

**Webzcas** · 5th April 2006, 10:41 AM

I highly doubt Ladbrokes would partner with a company less than whiter than white. The Live Dealer was in progress of being added to the casino as I was leaving Ladbrokes so alas I do not have much knowledge about it.

I have PM'd Scrollock the details of the person he needs to speak to at Ladbrokes and he will ensure it is thoroughly investigated once he receives more information.