Club World Casino: changing T&C of nd bonus after I won 1100 USD!

[siilix]

Hi!
One week ago I received a 30 USD nd bonus from Club World Casino.
While playing I went to live chat and asked if the bonus had a max cashout.

Following my chat with the cs.

Chat Transcript
info: Please wait for a site operator to respond.
info: You are now chatting with 'Katrina'
Katrina: Hello, how are you today?
Player: I am good thanks!
Player: Hi! I am playing with a no deposit bonus 30 USD (cupon NGP30M6NCD) how much is the max cash out?
Katrina: ok there is no maximum cash out for this coupon
Player: really?
Katrina: yes really
Player: well I am happy for it
Player: thanks, this was all
Katrina: Your welcome, have good day!
Player: you too!
info: Your chat transcript will be sent to [email protected] at the end of your chat.


Happy for the nd bonus I start playing, after few spins I hit relatively big on Mystic Dragon slot. Continued playing to clear my wagering requirements and even played a bit more than that.
Cashed out 1100 USD.

To make a long story short, I was paid 300 USD only in my Neteller account out of a 1100 USD winning.

Contacted again the live chat to ask why and they told me the bonus had a max cash out of 10x.

Now I don't obviously complain for the free money, but I would expect that they maintain what they said at first, that the bonus had no max cash out.

Had a discussion back and forward with the support yesterday and today and they quickly apologized and said the manager decided to make a good action and give me 300USD free chips to play.
Come on, why don't they mantain what they first said (no max cashout) instead of giving me some free useless chips which for sure will have another ridiculous cash out limit!!!?

Very disappointing experience, from a casino where I deposited quite much already during these last 3 years, I would have expected a different kind of treatment.

 

[Repro]

If you've been a player there for a few years you should have known the €30 ND bonusses they offer ALWAYS have the 10x max cashout.

I fully agree that the chat made a big mistake and they agreed on that. I think the $300 is a very generous compensation for the mistake they made.

 

[BMWSTACK]

Repro is right all ND deposits are 10x. Chat made a mistake, but obviously its not really a mistake they should stick to since it was free money and you have the same terms as everyone else. $300 on a free 30nd bonus is a great win.

 

[siilix]

If you've been a player there for a few years you should have known the €30 ND bonusses they offer ALWAYS have the 10x max cashout.

I fully agree that the chat made a big mistake and they agreed on that. I think the $300 is a very generous compensation for the mistake they made.

I don't agree with you.

The fact I am a depositor doesn't mean I should know the max cash out terms of each nd bonus. I was not sure if there was a max cash out and had all rights to ask and double-check in chat. I assumed those cs people exactly knew what's going on there with their bonuses and trusted they would have given me correct details.

They should train their customer support to give correct information and not to mislead people there.

 

[siilix]

I know that 300 USD out of 30 nd is great...

...but it is not that what I am complaining about.

It is the fact in live chat they told me one thing initially and changed that thing after I won high.

 

[Nate]

I share your sentiments siilix... A promise is a promise, irrelevant of what past practice applies. If you have been advised by live chat that there was no max cash out, they should honor it.

Other agreements can be made by live chat only for them to renege on the initial offering. My personal opinion is that they expressly stated that there was no max cash out, and changed the terms - PAB.

Integrity is everything - I wouldn't trust what they tell me if this is the case. Its laughable that they even attempt to hold back a $1000 WD...

Nate

 

[tat00]

i totally agree with this - they should pay for what they stated is a fact. he has it in writing and proof of what the t&c were at the time he asked. even though it was free money .

imo

 

[Jasminebed]

We are often told to check terms if we are not sure. How you play a bonus with no max cashout and one with a $300 max can vary. Isn't it $350 for a wire for US players here?

Anyone can make a mistake. CW can deal with their CS any way they deem appropriate. But this CSR is acting as an agent of the casino, and they need to honour the terms they gave the OP.

When players make mistakes, by exceeding bet restrictions or playing excluded games, we are told to suck it up, and check terms next time.

This time the casino made a mistake, they also need to suck it up.

 

[IanO]

I can see both sides of this.

Yes the rep (mistakenly) told you there was no Max cashout, but this was simple human error. I had a little look through the published T's and C's for Club World and they could have started citing rules like 'we retain the right to alter or amend... blah blah... sole discretion... without notice.....etc etc''. I have seen similar cases at other casinos where management did exactly this, and ended with: 'The agent made a mistake, max cashout applies.. sorry about that but all you get is 300.''

Thats not the case here. They at least made a gesture to acknowledge the agents error by offering you an additional 300 in free chips. Hey.. who knows.. maybe during play through you'll hit a random and thank your lucky stars it all went down this way.

I can certainly see how expecting 1100 and getting 600 would make the glass look half empty, but I'd be surprised if they change their decision at this stage so try to look at it as starting with nothing and getting 600. Glass looks pretty full to me

 

[secret2]

I think that if you receive a ND bonus, it is important to read the T&C's. It's important to read each casino's T&C's as they may differ from casino to another for any deposit.

I know that it's a 10x on ND bonus at CWC, and some it's 5x...etc.

Although live chat told you another story it still should not void the T&C terms of that casino. Yes, the live chat rep was incorrect...but I am on the side of the Casino terms of this bonus.

I know from experience especially at Inetbet playing the bonuses on some of the slots (75% on 5 Real video slots....void on other slots...etc) that it's important that you play ONLY those slots allowed for that bonus.

I understand that you may have deposited quite a few times with CWC but still, them the rules.

$300 for free is very cool! AND a further $300 ?...that is awesome.


On a side note: This may be a warning to casinos that maybe the live chat reps should pay attention to what the player is saying and maybe repeat what the player asked, just for verification.

 

[aceking123]

if cs has told which is clearly showed in writing here , then bottom line is they should pay, as another forum member pointed out if you make a mistake on wagering or playing a wrong game , the casino pretty much wins this case everytime & get off scot free not paying winnings so why should this be any different in the casinos case , it shouldnt ,they should pay up without trying to side step the issue & train staff with there own policys of promos etc etc )

 

[DemonUK]

RTG new tab for coupon details can display WR AND any max cashout. A while ago got 100 bonus for 20 pound deposit. Coupon details displayed WR but showed no max cashout. My withdrawal was 2300 pounds got 600. Small print term on letter said to contact support for terms. Saw WR displayed correctly so thought i didn't need to. Big mistake it seems as they claimed i should have contacted them to be given max cashout of 5x......PAB failed by the way. Still i don't suppose 600 from 20 is so bad. Although Idon't agree with being forced to think that way by the casinos. Incidentally the RJ was not reset but i expect the staff had a good party on the 1700 that went into CWCs unclaimed winnings pigeon hole.

 

[Tengil]

BTW their T&Cs say:

12. The maximum cashout on all non-deposit bonuses is 5x the bonus amount and the timeframe is 30 days unless stated otherwise.

Also note the 5x max cashout in the T&Cs.

Edit: they have at least once ruled against a player even if their T&Cs didnt even support it.

 

[DemonUK]

BTW their T&Cs say:

12. The maximum cashout on all non-deposit bonuses is 5x the bonus amount and the timeframe is 30 days unless stated otherwise.

Also note the 5x max cashout in the T&Cs.

Edit: they have at least once ruled against a player even if their T&Cs didnt even support it.

Mine was a deposit bonus

 

[anniemac]

Siilix,

Was this ND bonus a loyalty bonus by some chance?

 

[Nifty29]

The OP is not being entirely truthful here.

The code he mentioned is a loyalty code which comes via email AND includes all the terms for the bonus including the max cashout.

Now, why would someone contact CS when they already possessed the information? Hoping CS would make an error?

When there is a dispute over terms, the published terms should apply. I'm sure if the CS rep had said there WAS a max cashout, and the player found later that their WAS NOT, the player would be screaming blue murder. You can't have it both ways.

The casino has been generous with an apology and a nice bonus. I don't see what else they can do.....if they bend the rules this time, it will set a dangerous precedent.

@spiderlegz

Which case are you referring to?

 

[anniemac]

Nifty29,

That's the reason I asked about the bonus code. At the bottom of the email you receive via email and the message center at the casino is the terms and conditions for the ND bonus and the deposit bonus code.

In all actuality, there should have been no reason to ask CS about this code, if indeed it was a loyalty code.

I have also won well over the limit on a ND bonus and it really sucks but the terms were spelled out plainly so I had no bitch about it.

 

[chuchu59]

The live chat made a mistake no doubt about it. However, it is well-known that CWC free chips have a 10x max cashout and I believe it is in their general ts and cs. If what is stated by live chat conflicts with the casino terms, which should prevail? No-brainer obviously. The $1100 or rather $800 is of little importance but if every Tom, Dick and Harry requests that winnings from this ND have no cap, CWC could be in trouble and throw their ts and cs into disarray.. Frankly, why pick on a simple mistake made by live chat staff when you knew well in advance that there is a 10x cap on free chips. I apologise if you really didnt know, This would put enormous pressure on the support staff who are scared they will say something wrong and in the end they will be reluctant to answer anything.

 

[4 of a kind]

Player: Hi! I am playing with a no deposit bonus 30 USD (cupon NGP30M6NCD) how much is the max cash out?
Katrina: ok there is no maximum cash out for this coupon
Player: really?
Katrina: yes really

I usually don't participate in this bonus nonsense, but I disagree with many opinions here. "Siilix" spelled out the coupon code. Casino support could have punched in the code for confirmation, but apparently was to lazy and spoke on the fly.

As far as the player being a veteran member at CWC and should have known better is also bullshit. The same people here rushing to the aid of their sacred CWC, are the same people that tell others if your not sure about terms to contact support for confirmation.

If this same player made the slightest error, the casino would forfeit all winnings, and the same people would blame the player for not reading terms or should have contacted support.

It's obvious to most here that a copy of chat confirming what you said is not good enough. What about Siilix thinking it's a no max cash-out and instead of stopping at 300.00 max decided to keep going and lost it all, when he obvious would have stopped at 300.00? I also wonder what the same people here would be telling you if it was a rogue casino.

The casino rep screwed up, not the player.

Next time Siilix I would recommend you get from the casino before you play, a notarized signed document with the company seal on it, sent by certified mail with a signed return receipt.

 

[mn001]

Live chat told you it's no maximum cashout (you presented them with the bonus code so there should not be any questions about anything here, it's crystal clear). So they should pay out in full. Anything else is a scam. Don't accept ANYTHING else.

 

[anniemac]

I didn't copy the whole email but I think you can see the similarities between the code I received and the code Siilic received. Except for the salutation and the part about the free chip, the rest is copied as I received it. Note the T&C's about the free chip and the deposit bonus are included.

DVP25V98UY - Redeem Coupon

In addition, you can claim an amazing 100% bonus on your next deposit with us. Either enter the following coupon code in the cashier as normal or click on the redeem coupon link below before your deposit:

100VIPCHCQ8 - Redeem Coupon

We have sent these coupons to you by email as well, however as emails don’t always get through make sure you check back here regularly so you don’t miss out on our VIP rewards.

Don’t forget you can contact us at any time using this messaging system as well as our usual live chat, email and toll free phone if you have any comments or questions.

Best of Luck,
Lauren
Promotions Manager

Event Rules:
* The free chips must be wagered ten (10) times before a withdrawal is permitted
* Wagers on Baccarat, Craps, Roulette, Pokers, War and Sic Bo do not count towards this requirement
* The maximum cashout from this free bonus is 10 times the bonus amount
* If the deposit coupon is claimed, the deposit + bonus must be wagered twenty(20) times before withdrawing
* Wagers on Blackjack and Video Pokers count half as much, for example a $1 wager on blackjack will only reduce your playthrough by 50c
* Wagers on Baccarat, Craps, Roulette, Pokers, War and Sic Bo do not count towards this requirement
* In both cases the bonus chips are unredeemable and their value will be deducted from the associated withdrawal

so
Yes, CS told you wrong but if you have played there before then you are aware of the terms for free chips. It has been discussed here at great length about the ineptitude of some CS. You got a good faith gesture from the casino for this. I don't see anything else that is going to come from this.

 

[Jasminebed]

IF the OP was sent the freechip offer in such detailed terms, I'll amend my original position. Well, sent and received I guess. If you had to claim the code, you got the email.

If this offer was sent by email and not just added to the account, with terms that clearly laid out, then I think that the CSR's error should be viewed as such.

If this was a comp added to the account without the terms attached, then the CSR's statement of terms should stand.

 

[Nifty29]

I usually don't participate in this bonus nonsense, but I disagree with many opinions here. "Siilix" spelled out the coupon code. Casino support could have punched in the code for confirmation, but apparently was to lazy and spoke on the fly.

As far as the player being a veteran member at CWC and should have known better is also bullshit. The same people here rushing to the aid of their sacred CWC, are the same people that tell others if your not sure about terms to contact support for confirmation.

If this same player made the slightest error, the casino would forfeit all winnings, and the same people would blame the player for not reading terms or should have contacted support.

It's obvious to most here that a copy of chat confirming what you said is not good enough. What about Siilix thinking it's a no max cash-out and instead of stopping at 300.00 max decided to keep going and lost it all, when he obvious would have stopped at 300.00? I also wonder what the same people here would be telling you if it was a rogue casino.

The casino rep screwed up, not the player.

Next time Siilix I would recommend you get from the casino before you play, a notarized signed document with the company seal on it, sent by certified mail with a signed return receipt.

The terms were in the offer email. It wasn't necessary to contact CS.

The casino acknowledged the CSR was wrong and gave them their entire withdrawal again as a bonus, which is more than most other casinos would.

In disputes regarding "he said she said" like this one, it is clear that it must come back to the written terms that the OP AGREED TO when redeeming the coupon. A regular player at CWC would KNOW that these bonuses have max cashouts, and is VERY relevant to the discussion, especially if they have claimed similar coupons in the past.

The people here "rushing to the aid of their sacred CWC" are balanced out by the people who have a chip on their shoulder about CWC (or casinos in general), and would never support the casino POV regardless. At least those who support CWC in this case have a history of supporting players when the situation dictates.

IMO this case has been very well handled by a professional outfit.

 

[siilix]

The 30 USD nd bonus was a welcome back bonus.

I found it in the casino lobby mailbox. Did not have any T&C when I opened the message, that is why I went to ask in chat.
Now, believe me or not, seems they just added T&C right under the message I was offered a nd bonus. What a joke!!

 

[Nifty29]

I found it in the casino lobby mailbox. Did not have any T&C when I opened the message, that is why I went to ask in chat.
Now, believe me or not, seems they just added T&C right under the message I was offered a nd bonus. What a joke!!

Not.

In my experience, whatever arrives in the casino inbox also arrives by email.

You are saying that they went into your inbox, altered the message they sent to cover themselves, AFTER they have resolved the issue by giving you a huge bonus? Not only is that ridiculous, I doubt its even possible for them to access your inbox and edit what has already been sent.

You just didn't read the terms.

The welcome back bonuses are sent quite frequently AFAIK so I doubt it has been years since you played or anything, and I'm sure it wasn't your first experience with a ND bonus from them.

FWIW these bonuses are sent in tandem with a deposit bonus with a similar code which does NOT have a max cashout, so the CSR just got the codes mixed up....not a $900 mistake IMO.

 

[Brooklyn]

I don't think that anyone should rush to judgement regarding the OP until the full story is told. Maybe there wasn't terms and conditons on the message, who knows? Either way, live support effed up and they should pay the player IMO.

 

[taysh075]

I too have received 'welcome back' bonuses from CWC. The email sent has the terms and conditions as does the message in the Inbox of the casino message system. Not only that but when you click on the bonus to get it, a message comes up with the playthrough and max out information in a message box. So in essence, you get this information twice. The only way to miss ALL of this is simply to be so excited that you take the bonus without checking anything (or reading anything) properly. I have never received any kind of reward nd bonus from CWC where terms and conditions weren't provided in both email to my email account, and on the message in the Inbox, and on the pop-up box when I click on the bonus to accept. Unless the OPs message was a total aberation from the norm, I'd imagine they simply did not read the messages properly. If T & Cs were provided in written format (as I think is likely) then these are the ones to be followed. CS response was simply human error.

 

[anniemac]

FYI, what I copied and posted was from the message area on the casino software. I had already deleted the actual email but it was the same thing. I have the same message from Lucky Red and the messages for the MC deposit bonus. All of which have the terms and conditions spelled out in detail at the bottom of the message.

I'm sorry but I think that this is a fight that you cannot win.

 

[Tengil]

Their terms state that: unless stated otherwise.

Its funny (well not really) that some of those who say that the player should always clarify/check the terms with CS if they are unsure are now defending the casino.

@spiderlegz

Which case are you referring to?

The case with the Finnish player:https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/high-noon-casino-account-closed-student-issue.42566/

He didnt break a single term. Those who are in doubt can check the terms in Swedish (official language in Finland) or even go as far as checking the German terms. They only mention högskola eller universitet/Hochschule oder Universität not Gymnasium.

 

[Nifty29]

Their terms state that: unless stated otherwise.

Its funny (well not really) that some of those who say that the player should always clarify/check the terms with CS if they are unsure are now defending the casino.




The case with the Finnish player:https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/high-noon-casino-account-closed-student-issue.42566/

He didnt break a single term. Those who are in doubt can check the terms in Swedish (official language in Finland) or even go as far as checking the German terms. They only mention högskola eller universitet/Hochschule oder Universität not Gymnasium.

The ruling was that he was a student, therefor he broke the terms. Don't just take my word for it, ask Bryan, Max, and CWC. You can carry on until you're blue in the face, but he was a student at the time. Just remember that when you're giving those last few lashes to that corpse that used to be a horse.

Thankyou, though, for providing an excellent of example of what I was saying about Lay's Sour Cream and Onion on clavicles.....

 

[siilix]

To those who do not believe...

...what I have stated till now about this case, you have all rights to do so if you prefer so. But be advised that in the worst case scenario all this could happen to you

With my post I just wanted to give you a worning that you need to beware of this casino as they have a non professional cs and can't keep their word. This situation happening with a nd bonus is not yet too tragic, but have you thought if this would have happened after you deposited and won some big amount of money with a deposit bonus?

Personally I don't care about those 800 USD they have not paid (right after this bad experience, I won another 1000 USD in another casino out of a 70 USD deposit), but what makes me upset is the fact those people do not act in line with their words and I wanted everybody who visit this forum to know about it.

 

[Tengil]

The ruling was that he was a student, therefor he broke the terms. Don't just take my word for it, ask Bryan, Max, and CWC. You can carry on until you're blue in the face, but he was a student at the time. Just remember that when you're giving those last few lashes to that corpse that used to be a horse.

Thankyou, though, for providing an excellent of example of what I was saying about Lay's Sour Cream and Onion on clavicles.....

Whatever the ruling was he didnt break a single term. He wasnt enrolled in College or University. Period.

Schadenfreude ITT.

 

[BMWSTACK]

i totally agree with this - they should pay for what they stated is a fact. he has it in writing and proof of what the t&c were at the time he asked. even though it was free money .

imo

The written terms on the website should be the legally binding terms regardless of what a live chat operator says. He should be treated no different than anyone else. Its 10x maxcashout. Thats the world we live in, people want to constantly take advantage of situations that would benefit themselves. I think that could be called Greed.
Maybe the people that believe that the casino "should pay" for making the mistake should look at it another way.

I am chatting with a Lexus rep in live chat.

Lexus Rep: Can I help you?
Me: I drove by the other day and saw a beautiful new black Lexus LS460, Do you know th price?
Lexus Rep: Let me check.
Lexus Rep: Yes it is $50,000.00.
Me: Really? The new 2011 black LS460 is only $50, 000?
Lexus Rep: Yes really!!
Me: Wow thats awesome I will be in.

Ok so now I got to the bank get $50,000 and rush to Lexus to buy it. Once i get there I throw the money on the salsespersons desk and tell him I will take it. He says great, counts the money and asks if I am planning on financing the other $20,000. I look at him confused and say what are you talking about? He says the car is $70,000.00. I tell him no the live chat rep told me that it was $50,000. He says that would be a great deal but the price is $70,000. I say "wait a second a deal is a deal, look at the chat on my blackberry, she told me its $50,000.00." The salesmanager apologizes and explains that the person chatting with me is a new clerk and doesnt know all the correct information. He says sorry for the mistake, but just because she made a mistake it doesnt change the fact that its a $70,000 vehicle.
So do I expect Lexus to give me the car for $50,000 because the clerk made a mistake? I dont think so. But again there are people that would never let it go, they would probably lose sleep over it. All over some little mistake that was never going to change. Shit happens, and we all make mistakes. Go and give the clerk some more training and apologize to the customer.

 

[Tengil]

The written terms on the website should be the legally binding terms regardless of what a live chat operator says. He should be treated no different than anyone else. Its 10x maxcashout. Thats the world we live in, people want to constantly take advantage of situations that would benefit themselves. I think that could be called Greed.
Maybe the people that believe that the casino "should pay" for making the mistake should look at it another way.

I am chatting with a Lexus rep in live chat.

Lexus Rep: Can I help you?
Me: I drove by the other day and saw a beautiful new black Lexus LS460, Do you know th price?
Lexus Rep: Let me check.
Lexus Rep: Yes it is $50,000.00.
Me: Really? The new 2011 black LS460 is only $50, 000?
Lexus Rep: Yes really!!
Me: Wow thats awesome I will be in.

Ok so now I got to the bank get $50,000 and rush to Lexus to buy it. Once i get there I throw the money on the salsespersons desk and tell him I will take it. He says great, counts the money and asks if I am planning on financing the other $20,000. I look at him confused and say what are you talking about? He says the car is $70,000.00. I tell him no the live chat rep told me that it was $50,000. He says that would be a great deal but the price is $70,000. I say "wait a second a deal is a deal, look at the chat on my blackberry, she told me its $50,000.00." The salesmanager apologizes and explains that the person chatting with me is a new clerk and doesnt know all the correct information. He says sorry for the mistake, but just because she made a mistake it doesnt change the fact that its a $70,000 vehicle.
So do I expect Lexus to give me the car for $50,000 because the clerk made a mistake? I dont think so. But again there are people that would never let it go, they would probably lose sleep over it. All over some little mistake that was never going to change. Shit happens, and we all make mistakes. Go and give the clerk some more training and apologize to the customer.

According to their T&Cs its 5x max cashout unless stated otherwise. They "all" have 10xmax so that would be the stated otherwise.
So the main point is what comes under the "unless stated otherwise".

 

[mn001]

The written terms on the website should be the legally binding terms regardless of what a live chat operator says. He should be treated no different than anyone else. Its 10x maxcashout. Thats the world we live in, people want to constantly take advantage of situations that would benefit themselves. I think that could be called Greed.
Maybe the people that believe that the casino "should pay" for making the mistake should look at it another way.

I am chatting with a Lexus rep in live chat.

Lexus Rep: Can I help you?
Me: I drove by the other day and saw a beautiful new black Lexus LS460, Do you know th price?
Lexus Rep: Let me check.
Lexus Rep: Yes it is $50,000.00.
Me: Really? The new 2011 black LS460 is only $50, 000?
Lexus Rep: Yes really!!
Me: Wow thats awesome I will be in.

Ok so now I got to the bank get $50,000 and rush to Lexus to buy it. Once i get there I throw the money on the salsespersons desk and tell him I will take it. He says great, counts the money and asks if I am planning on financing the other $20,000. I look at him confused and say what are you talking about? He says the car is $70,000.00. I tell him no the live chat rep told me that it was $50,000. He says that would be a great deal but the price is $70,000. I say "wait a second a deal is a deal, look at the chat on my blackberry, she told me its $50,000.00." The salesmanager apologizes and explains that the person chatting with me is a new clerk and doesnt know all the correct information. He says sorry for the mistake, but just because she made a mistake it doesnt change the fact that its a $70,000 vehicle.
So do I expect Lexus to give me the car for $50,000 because the clerk made a mistake? I dont think so. But again there are people that would never let it go, they would probably lose sleep over it. All over some little mistake that was never going to change. Shit happens, and we all make mistakes. Go and give the clerk some more training and apologize to the customer.

BMWSTACK asks the bartender how much a beer costs. He tells you 5 bucks. Once you finish drinking the beer you ask to pay for it. Owner of the bar hands over a bill of $500. You tell him the bartender told you it costed $5. No the correct price for beer is $500, our bartender is new and is not updated with current prices. BMWSTACK pays the $500 and thinks it's ok.

Or in a better way. Casino support is representing the casino and what they say is a deal if it's not obvious very wrong. Like misspelling or something extraordinary. This situation by OP is clear and he should be paid. Most casinos dont have a max cashout. None of the casinos I play at and I play at many.

 

[BMWSTACK]

BMWSTACK asks the bartender how much a beer costs. He tells you 5 bucks. Once you finish drinking the beer you ask to pay for it. Owner of the bar hands over a bill of $500. You tell him the bartender told you it costed $5. No the correct price for beer is $500, our bartender is new and is not updated with current prices. BMWSTACK pays the $500 and thinks it's ok.

Or in a better way. Casino support is representing the casino and what they say is a deal if it's not obvious very wrong. Like misspelling or something extraordinary. This situation by OP is clear and he should be paid. Most casinos dont have a max cashout. None of the casinos I play at and I play at many.

I am not following your $500 example. I know what the average price of a beer is. I know there is not a $495 difference. We are not talking about a casino taking advantage of a player. That would be great in the endless threads of casinos taking advantage of players. This is about players taking advantage of a casino. Thats what we are talking about, taking advantage of someone else mistake.

Could you please name me an RTG that does not have a max cashout on a No Deposit bonus.

 

[Nate]

If we should ignore what the CW Casino reps say, then anything they tell you on live chat should be taken with a pinch of salt.

I cannot understand how their word only applies in some circumstances. When it may be beneficial to the player then they can swing around any term and claim what they confirmed in writing is NOT valid.

If I were told on live chat that I would receive a ND Bonus with no max cashout at the places I play,I hold them to it and 100% of the time they have the integrity to honor their statements.

This is just another debate that will go nowhere as we have people sitting on either side of the fence. Why even bother to contact live chat in future if you cannot trust what they say.

Nate

 

[mn001]

I am not following your $500 example. I know what the average price of a beer is. I know there is not a $495 difference. We are not talking about a casino taking advantage of a player. That would be great in the endless threads of casinos taking advantage of players. This is about players taking advantage of a casino. Thats what we are talking about, taking advantage of someone else mistake.

Could you please name me an RTG that does not have a max cashout on a No Deposit bonus.

Don't play RTG. I play microgaming, netent and a few more. Around 100 casinos. None of them have any max cashout rules. So for me the standard in casinos is no max cashout. He even asked with the specific bonus code and got the answer no max cashout. It can not be any clearer than this. I don't care if he tried to take advantage of the casino or not. I do that all the time. Ask for bonuses, comps etc. Guess what, I have always been paid or had what any live chat support person have told me. Anything else would be a scam IMHO. Of course obvious errors can't be honored, but max cashout or no max cashout is a pretty clear question impossible to missunderstand.

 

[BMWSTACK]

This is just another debate that will go nowhere as we have people sitting on either side of the fence. Why even bother to contact live chat in future if you cannot trust what they say.

Nate

Exactly, I personally dont use live chat for much because of the inconsistencies. I know its there to use, but I do treat live chat as how I descibed before. They are clerks. There are plenty of other customer service lines in other industries that are inconsistent, ie. credit card customer service, cell phone customer service, ect... Its a shame that you can not have faith in what is being told to you, but again I have learned that to be the case.

PS. The worst customer service in the world and any industry was RIVAL, imo.

 

[aceking123]

Exactly, I personally dont use live chat for much because of the inconsistencies. I know its there to use, but I do treat live chat as how I descibed before. They are clerks. There are plenty of other customer service lines in other industries that are inconsistent, ie. credit card customer service, cell phone customer service, ect... Its a shame that you can not have faith in what is being told to you, but again I have learned that to be the case.

PS. The worst customer service in the world and any industry was RIVAL, imo.

yes rival is bad . but theres no getting away from the fact that live chat told the op that there is no max cashout & im sick of reading the forum about casinos ,using the youve played the wrong game , youve gone beyond the 30% bonus limit in wagering, or any other barbed wired fence you can think of to NOT payout winnings.

i would also like to know why CWC rep hasnt been on here already since theyve had all day to make some sort of reply ( maybe there busy giving CS a lesson in bonuses & promos )

 

[BMWSTACK]

Don't play RTG. I play microgaming, netent and a few more. Around 100 casinos. None of them have any max cashout rules. So for me the standard in casinos is no max cashout. He even asked with the specific bonus code and got the answer no max cashout. It can not be any clearer than this. I don't care if he tried to take advantage of the casino or not. I do that all the time. Ask for bonuses, comps etc. Guess what, I have always been paid or had what any live chat support person have told me. Anything else would be a scam IMHO. Of course obvious errors can't be honored, but max cashout or no max cashout is a pretty clear question impossible to missunderstand.

FYI, I have never heard or seen a RTG ND deposit without a max cashout, the terms differ from casino to casino, but all the RTG's have max cashouts. I take my position of them not having to honor because I am used to this standard with RTG. I have even tried to put myself in the OP's position. Now I wouldnt ask what the max cashout is because the terms are normally written with the codes, but I am pretending that I did ask and they said no max cashout on a code. I pretend I get it to $5000.00. I go to cashout and they say the max is $1,000.00 because it is 10x max and my ND deposit was $100. I would be upset, I would take it up with someone, but after I was told that there was nothing they could do because it was standard, I would then have to get over the frustration real quick and be happy I won something on a free deposit.

 

[Nifty29]

Whatever the ruling was he didnt break a single term. He wasnt enrolled in College or University. Period.

Schadenfreude ITT.

The whole CWC student thing again?? Sigh. Some people are like a brain-damaged greyhound with a rubber boot - they just won't let go. (Before anyone goes off screaming I did not say he was a dog its just a figure of speech)

You're right though, let's ignore the ruling of those who know the FULL story. Better still, let's replace the PAB service with 'trial by forum' where the most persistent whinger wins.

Oh, and I take no pleasure in the misfortunes of others. If you want to insult me, you could at least be a man and do it in English.

 

[secret2]

Look,

Read the T&C's carefully, know that it's a good thing to send in all docs before playing at an accredited casino.

When playing a ND (FREE) bonus ..just KNOW that it has restrictions..I.e ..a limit of 10x OR 5 x the ND amount.....

...come on, really? You expect a non-maxout withdrawel? really?



Take responsibility. Read the terms and stop relying on Live Chat.

Email support and/or manager for clarification if you are not sure.


Live chat. It needs help in some casinos...others?..they are awesome.

Just double check with support and Manager of that casino via email ,if you are not sure/ or can't be bothered to read the T&C's.

 

[chuchu59]

Live chat stated there is no max cashout. The op should ask himself how this answer altered his betting strategy eg bet size, games played etc. If he was going to play the same games with same bet sizes the answer made no material difference. If the answer from live chat had affected a decision then the casino is liable. Say if this were a deposit bonus, mx cashout and 10x cashout makes a huge difference and the max cashout statement should be honoured. If I am not mistaken, the op will have an opportunity to cash out an extra $3000 if he wins on the $300 chip so the casino is really acting in good faith. Just because live chat said something inaccurate but which did not affect a decision or playing strategy is not a reason for forcing the casino to pay up. The casino will have to contend with plenty of disgruntled customers who won a lot but were only paid 10x the bonus amount. In fact, many may already be asking to receive the $300 chip.

 

[chayton]

Well I can understand it would be frustrating, but CW admitted their chat person made a mistake and compensated the OP quite generously IMO. But CW should maybe take this opportunity to train their chat reps better, this kind of cock-up could be very damaging to them.

That being said, I don't understand a lot of complaints coming from people who win on free chips and think the casino's ripping them off because there are high WR and max cashout. I think it's awesome that any casinos give out free chips at all, they're not obligated to do it.

But let's see if my story changes in a few days on my birthday....

 

[Brooklyn]

I don't know what rubber dogs or greyhound boots have to do with all of this but I really do think the original statement should be honored. If it was me I would be upset too. However; I do see where some posters are coming from with the "if you play online you know that all ND at RTG's have a max cashout" because it's true. Bottom line for me was the live chat agent was given the code and never even bothered checking.

Either way I would like to see CWC chime in on this if they could.

 

[P.V.]

This is an accredited casino here at CM, one of the requirements is to have in house support.

Chat would be in house support, so chat told the OP this: Katrina: ok there is no maximum cash out for this coupon.

Why the debate they should pay the OP and train staff if there's a problem moving forward.

In short the chat operator is employed by this group per their accredited status and therfore should pay up, period.

 

[footdr]

BTW their T&Cs say:

12. The maximum cashout on all non-deposit bonuses is 5x the bonus amount and the timeframe is 30 days unless stated otherwise.

Also note the 5x max cashout in the T&Cs.

Edit: they have at least once ruled against a player even if their T&Cs didnt even support it.

Not at CW it is always 10X unless it says no maximum, which sometimes it does on special offers or cash-back bonuses

 

[footdr]

If we should ignore what the CW Casino reps say, then anything they tell you on live chat should be taken with a pinch of salt.

I cannot understand how their word only applies in some circumstances. When it may be beneficial to the player then they can swing around any term and claim what they confirmed in writing is NOT valid.

If I were told on live chat that I would receive a ND Bonus with no max cashout at the places I play,I hold them to it and 100% of the time they have the integrity to honor their statements.

This is just another debate that will go nowhere as we have people sitting on either side of the fence. Why even bother to contact live chat in future if you cannot trust what they say.

Nate

this is why I always keep copy of the chat and in 100% of the cases that I was told incorrect information that affected my withdrawl they abided by what I was told after I send them a copy of the chat. Recently even paid all my winnings versus the $500.00 installments they tried to pay me because I had contacted chat and verified I would be paid the entire amount if I won. (and I specifically asked about others being paid only 500.00).

 

[Tengil]

Not at CW it is always 10X unless it says no maximum, which sometimes it does on special offers or cash-back bonuses

From their T&Cs (Bonus Terms and Conditions):
12. The maximum cashout on all non-deposit bonuses is 5x the bonus amount and the timeframe is 30 days unless stated otherwise.

The 10x comes under the "unless stated otherwise".

Edit: I think everyone who is on the players side acknowledges the 10xmax that is standard but the question that needs to be answered is that to what point can live chat be hold responsible for what they said. Again many posters always repeat that check with CS if you are unsure. Have we come to a point where everything live chat says should be ignored?

And as for the poor provocing attempt by a certain poster. Thats truly pathetic.