Ladbrokes Games - LOTR Slot - wager £50 for £50 Bonus

[vinylweatherman]

Yep perfect solution to the problems listed! I sense that a software switch is in the offing for Ladbrokes as they have confirmed they will not be adding any further new games. Maybe this is why they dont give a damn hoping that a new skin will entice players back ? I wont be one of em though!

Ladbrokes have bought Cassava, any guesses what software they are going to switch to

I recall Cassava hate Neteller players too, so the switch is no improvement. Further, Ladbrokes may become "just another white label", and so NOT covered by the recent accreditation of the two parent Cassava casinos.

A Neteller/Moneybookers hating policy could soon create problems for operators, since in their review of gambling, and increased problems, one measure under consideration is banning the use of CREDIT for gambling, which will shut down the use of VISA and Mastercard, the two main alternatives to Neteller and Moneybookers.
Other options exist, such as UKash, and maybe prepaid cards, but who is going to pay the commissions for using a prepaid card when Neteller costs them NOTHING, and it is the CASINO that won't let them use it.
Most likely, the loss of credit cards will mean MORE players switching to the eWallets, and they will probably seek out casinos that REWARD their use, rather than PUNISH it.

A simple example. Ladbrokes, wager deposit 20x to get bonus, and you CANNOT "top-up" with more funds if you go bust, as these too have to be wagered 20x.
Casino UK (Vegas Partner Lounge). Ongoing 15% EXTRA bonus PURELY for using Neteller, and this is ON TOP of anything else being offered. ALL subject to their STANDARD bonus rules.

Now, where is the SENSIBLE player going to go for their "Microgaming fix"?

[GrandMaster]

A Neteller/Moneybookers hating policy could soon create problems for operators, since in their review of gambling, and increased problems, one measure under consideration is banning the use of CREDIT for gambling, which will shut down the use of VISA and Mastercard, the two main alternatives to Neteller and Moneybookers.
Other options exist, such as UKash, and maybe prepaid cards, but who is going to pay the commissions for using a prepaid card when Neteller costs them NOTHING, and it is the CASINO that won't let them use it.

Don't forget debit cards.

[vinylweatherman]

Don't forget debit cards.

I find debit cards LESS able to put through gambling transactions than CREDIT cards.

I had three debit cards, two VISA debit, and BOTH kept on getting rejected by the bank for deposits over £100 to £200. My CREDIT cards however, quite happily allowed much larger volumes through.

The loss of credit cards would leave me with debit cards that would only work with small deposits, and these problems even happened when there was more than enough money in the bank.

Banks may tighten debit cards too, as it would be possible to gamble on credit with them by getting a personal loan, and having it placed in the bank, or even using a bank overdraft. Given how hard it would be for an individual bank to figure out whether an account balance came from a loan, they may decide to lock down debit cards as well as credit cards, for fear that allowing a customer to gamble their way through a loan via a debit card would make them liable to reimburse the money for failing to prevent it.

Until the government makes a decision, we don't yet know how deposit options from the UK will be affected, but we would probably lose the "free for all" that regulation, and the allowing of offshore operators, created within the UK market.

It's remiss of the industry to have not kept up with developments, as had they seen this coming (increase in problem gambers eventually prompting government intervention), they could have acted to PREVENT any "trigger point" for government action from being reached.

[GrandMaster]

I find debit cards LESS able to put through gambling transactions than CREDIT cards.

I had three debit cards, two VISA debit, and BOTH kept on getting rejected by the bank for deposits over £100 to £200. My CREDIT cards however, quite happily allowed much larger volumes through.

I have two debit cards that I use for gambling and they work fine. I stopped using credit cards because more and more of them treat gambling transactions as cash advances and withdrawals to credit cards have always been a problem.

[daywalker]

I find debit cards LESS able to put through gambling transactions than CREDIT cards.

I had three debit cards, two VISA debit, and BOTH kept on getting rejected by the bank for deposits over £100 to £200. My CREDIT cards however, quite happily allowed much larger volumes through.

The loss of credit cards would leave me with debit cards that would only work with small deposits, and these problems even happened when there was more than enough money in the bank.

Banks may tighten debit cards too, as it would be possible to gamble on credit with them by getting a personal loan, and having it placed in the bank, or even using a bank overdraft. Given how hard it would be for an individual bank to figure out whether an account balance came from a loan, they may decide to lock down debit cards as well as credit cards, for fear that allowing a customer to gamble their way through a loan via a debit card would make them liable to reimburse the money for failing to prevent it.

Until the government makes a decision, we don't yet know how deposit options from the UK will be affected, but we would probably lose the "free for all" that regulation, and the allowing of offshore operators, created within the UK market.

It's remiss of the industry to have not kept up with developments, as had they seen this coming (increase in problem gambers eventually prompting government intervention), they could have acted to PREVENT any "trigger point" for government action from being reached.

For debit cards most have fraud prevention in place so gambling transactions can get flagged. I've had to make calls to my bank about the affected cards and they lift the restriction and then there's no (or very few problems) after that. Some banks are different but once you've called them there not many that will stop a £100/£200 transaction.

If you reply please try and use one word instead of ten to explain

[vinylweatherman]

I have two debit cards that I use for gambling and they work fine. I stopped using credit cards because more and more of them treat gambling transactions as cash advances and withdrawals to credit cards have always been a problem.

All but ONE of my credit cards has done this, and I am sure this last one will eventually follow the herd, and I will have to stop using it, or face paying MASSIVE fees and interest charges.

For debit cards most have fraud prevention in place so gambling transactions can get flagged. I've had to make calls to my bank about the affected cards and they lift the restriction and then there's no (or very few problems) after that. Some banks are different but once you've called them there not many that will stop a £100/£200 transaction.

If you reply please try and use one word instead of ten to explain

Unfortunately, I have REPEATEDLY phoned my bank, but they have always said they can ONLY clear the transaction affected, and I have to phone them each time another one gets rejected. There was no option to permanently configure my account to "whitelist" these transactions.
It was more trouble than it was worth, and I got rid of the card.

I have NEVER had a Mastercard work, credit OR debit, even for very small transactions.

I have never had problems with withdrawals from card deposits, they either go back to the card, or go to Neteller, but I get it in the end.

Prepaid cards would probably work better, but then there are all the different fees, loading, transaction, withdrawal, etc. It ends up even MORE expensive in theory than using a cash advance from a credit card.


The problem is that the UK government want to shut down the credit card option, but casinos want to shut out the eWallet option. This leaves a string of deposit options shut out by one side or the other, and the remaining options are not so user friendly, cost far more, and lack the abilty to be used to receive withdrawals.

The remaining option requires players to lodge their BANK details with the casino, and use the direct debit system for deposits (which will also work for withdrawals). Given what Betfair did with such information from an over trusting player, this is NOT the level of access an offshore casino should have to our money.

If you reply please try and use one word instead of ten to explain

Why ten, when a hundred will do

As for ONE word to sum up this whole affair:-

BOLLOCKS!

[daywalker]

Why ten, when a hundred will do

As for ONE word to sum up this whole affair:-

BOLLOCKS!

[vinylweatherman]