Casino Classic

**charliedk** · 26th October 2010, 04:33 PM

These posts split out from an old 2006 thread here

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Rdog,

You are too kind. Casino Classic is pure fraud. They sent me an email invite telling me that I had £500 in free money to play with and I could play for an hour and win up to a max of $100. I accepted the offer and played and very quickly reached my threshold of $100 and tried to cash out. Entered my moneybookers account and all seemed okay. Waited 5 days and nothing. Contacted Casino Classic and they said I had to put in £20 of my own money and than play some more before I could cash out.

This is a pure scam. They never intended to pay any money out to ANYONE! They want your money and that is it. Would never even consider putting money into their company and play their games. How can I ever be sure that I will get paid on my winnings.

I play lots of other sites, but I WILL NEVER EVER play on CASINO CLASSIC and warn others not to risk it either. They are not reliable and there are too many other reputable sites to play on than to take a chance with such a sham operation!

Charlie

**vinylweatherman** · 26th October 2010, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by charliedk

Rdog,

You are too kind. Casino Classic is pure fraud. They sent me an email invite telling me that I had £500 in free money to play with and I could play for an hour and win up to a max of $100. I accepted the offer and played and very quickly reached my threshold of $100 and tried to cash out. Entered my moneybookers account and all seemed okay. Waited 5 days and nothing. Contacted Casino Classic and they said I had to put in £20 of my own money and than play some more before I could cash out.

This is a pure scam. They never intended to pay any money out to ANYONE! They want your money and that is it. Would never even consider putting money into their company and play their games. How can I ever be sure that I will get paid on my winnings.

I play lots of other sites, but I WILL NEVER EVER play on CASINO CLASSIC and warn others not to risk it either. They are not reliable and there are too many other reputable sites to play on than to take a chance with such a sham operation!

Charlie

ALL these "free play" promotions work like this. They don't tell the whole truth because you DON'T actually "win" anything, what you gain is a BONUS, for which you have to make a deposit. This bonus is then subject to further wagering before it can be cashed out.
If the WHOLE truth was in the main advertising, rather than buried in the small print, these promotions would not look anywhere near as good, and would attract fewer players.

**Simmo!** · 26th October 2010, 08:40 PM

Were the Terms and Conditions of the promotion deceptive Charlie? If so, could you post them here so we can see them and discuss?

**vinylweatherman** · 26th October 2010, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Simmo!

Were the Terms and Conditions of the promotion deceptive Charlie? If so, could you post them here so we can see them and discuss?

I know this promo. It's not a case of being deceptive, but "economical with the truth".

The claim "keep your winnings" will be in BIG print, but the SMALL print will tell you that you can keep only 200 or even 100 of any winnings, and that by "keep", they mean "claim as your 1st deposit bonus". "keep" is also subject to the winnings being wagered according to standard bonus rules, usually 30x on slots.

These terms are not always obvious either, you often have to search high and low to find even the clickable LINK to this small print, as well as plough through pages of closely spaced "legalese", most of which has little to do with the ordinary player (rules such as license to use the software, not to decompile, export all or in part, make derivative applications thereof, etc). Somewhere in this lot will be the PROMOTIONAL terms, one set for each type of promotion, as well as the BONUS terms, and "general" terms.

An experienced player will know what to look for, and will not bother too much with the rest of the legalese (unless they are programming a bot

).

I often get these offers by email, and they are VERY misleading, often presented as a fake cheque, and lines such as "if your name appears in the list below, you have won $500 at Casino <whatever>". Your name ALWAYS appears at number 4. (except when they have screwed up, when 4. is blank, and the other 4 are random made-up names).

Players are DELIBERATELY being mislead into believing this is free winnings they can KEEP right away, so often react with surprise when they DO win, and find out the two main hidden catches.

1) You have to deposit between $20 and $50
2) Your "winnings" have to then be wagered 30x on slots before anything (including the deposit) can be withdrawn.

**spiderlegz** · 26th October 2010, 09:12 PM

CR keeps sending CDs to players who have never registered at any CR outfit. On a Finnish poker forum there were numerous poker players who were sent (usually Golden Tiger) cds even if they had never played at any online casino.

They were the standard x amount for free and keep your winnings crap. BTW exact text was: "Annamme sinulle 60 min aikaa ja 1500€ meidän rahoja, jotta voit voittaa niin paljon kuin ikinä pystyt". Which basically translates to: We give you 60 min and 1500€ of our money, so that you can win as much as you can.

**vinylweatherman** · 26th October 2010, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by spiderlegz

CR keeps sending CDs to players who have never registered at any CR outfit. On a Finninsh poker forum there were numerous poker players who were sent (usually Golden Tiger) cds even if they had never played at any online casino.

They were the standard x amount for free and keep your winnings crap.

CR bought out quite a few failed outfits. They will have gained player contact details from this. They will also avail themselves of marketing lists of players, and these could have been passed out by "rogue employees" of other casino groups. It seems there are a great many "rogue employees" in the industry that sell player contact details on to these CD marketing firms

**spiderlegz** · 26th October 2010, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

CR bought out quite a few failed outfits. They will have gained player contact details from this. They will also avail themselves of marketing lists of players, and these could have been passed out by "rogue employees" of other casino groups. It seems there are a great many "rogue employees" in the industry that sell player contact details on to these CD marketing firms

The vast majority were solely poker players, not casino players. And with no ties to anything related to CR. They must have bought a load of contact details from a big number of poker rooms.

And surprisingly its always CR that sends out these unsolicited spam CDs.

**vinylweatherman** · 27th October 2010, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by spiderlegz

The vast majority were solely poker players, not casino players. And with no ties to anything related to CR. They must have bought a load of contact details from a big number of poker rooms.

And surprisingly its always CR that sends out these unsolicited spam CDs.

Well, it makes sense to cross market casinos to this list of poker players. Enough would be interested to make the effort worthwhile, but since these would be POKER players, they would NOT necessarily be experienced in how these casino promotions work, and thus could take the offer at face value, and feel ripped off later on.

They did also get a list of CASINO players from the 7 Casino Action casinos they took over, and two of these came to Casino Action from another group. This contact list could have encouraged them to take on the failed casinos. I understand they did NOT get the failed TUSK poker rooms because the deal fell through (or was blocked), leaving POKER players' in limbo, and with their funds lost. Casino Rewards, took on responsibility for players' CASINO funds as part of the deal for the casino side of the operation.

**spiderlegz** · 27th October 2010, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

Well, it makes sense to cross market casinos to this list of poker players. Enough would be interested to make the effort worthwhile, but since these would be POKER players, they would NOT necessarily be experienced in how these casino promotions work, and thus could take the offer at face value, and feel ripped off later on.

They did also get a list of CASINO players from the 7 Casino Action casinos they took over, and two of these came to Casino Action from another group. This contact list could have encouraged them to take on the failed casinos. I understand they did NOT get the failed TUSK poker rooms because the deal fell through (or was blocked), leaving POKER players' in limbo, and with their funds lost. Casino Rewards, took on responsibility for players' CASINO funds as part of the deal for the casino side of the operation.

Most of the players only connection to MG was Ladbrokes Poker. Many didnt have any connection to MG at all.

CR was never interested in the poker skins. It was Cake, and they were only interested in Battlefield and RedNines. Majority of funds were at those two tough.

**vinylweatherman** · 27th October 2010, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by spiderlegz

Most of the players only connection to MG was Ladbrokes Poker. Many didnt have any connection to MG at all.

CR was never interested in the poker skins. It was Cake, and they were only interested in Battlefield and RedNines. Majority of funds were at those two tough.

So, how did CR get player details from LADBROKES poker

I thought Ladbrokes ran their own poker skin, just the same as they run their own MGS casino now.