mstrike1978 VS Club World Casino ($46,034.44)

[chuchu59]

Hi everyone... Sorry, I would have posted earlier, but its still morning here in Wisconsin for me... Wow, everyone is really involved in getting to the bottom of this one, I feel as if you guys have as much interest as myself... I know we don't all agree on who or what, but there isn't anyone that has been posting who's opinions I dont respect.

There were some questions as to the order of the play.... Blackjack first slots, slots first, etc... I played the slots first... I remember playing blackjack, but I don't remember where it was in the order... Sorry guys, my memory isn't that good. I am going to see if I can get access to the logs.

As I have mentioned to the Casino, I won the jackpot on a slots machine with a slots coupon... That was a valid play. If they want to forfeit my blackjack wagers up to the WR, I am open to a discussion regarding that, due to the fact that a slots coupon was used. But my position is that the software that accepted the slots bonus allowed a slot jackpot. To have a big link to the other games on the main menu sends a bit of a mixed message to me, which is why I was enticed to play them.

Also, regarding the exact coupon used, I am at work now and will try and look it up shortly. This was a good point to bring up that each coupon may have different terms.

While you may not exactly remember when you played the BJ games, did you play BJ before hitting that Jackpot. This is the crux of the issue. It seems that CW is claiming that you intentionally played BJ to increase your bankroll (which has a much lower house edge and where you can place your entire balance on). I would also be interested to know whether you have used to place a large proportion of your remaining bankroll on the BJ bets. If you did the intention is very clear. You used the bonus given to you to try to increase your bankroll and then trying to hit the Jackpot with the big bets.

The onus is now on you to prove that the BJ played was not for the purpose stated above. Tom of CWC seemed to indicate that this is the case so over to you now.

[blankley]

Let me ask Deucebag & LaHutti something.

If I steal $1 from you and buy a lottery ticket with it and win $1M, do the winnings belong to you?



Obviously Club World, and others, should get a professional to write their T & C's, but until then they should adhere to the ones they have, with their normal meanings in contract law.

[mstrike1978]

The coupon used was "BIGSLOT".

[jas2587]

While you may not exactly remember when you played the BJ games, did you play BJ before hitting that Jackpot. This is the crux of the issue. It seems that CW is claiming that you intentionally played BJ to increase your bankroll (which has a much lower house edge and where you can place your entire balance on). I would also be interested to know whether you have used to place a large proportion of your remaining bankroll on the BJ bets. If you did the intention is very clear. You used the bonus given to you to try to increase your bankroll and then trying to hit the Jackpot with the big bets.

The onus is now on you to prove that the BJ played was not for the purpose stated above. Tom of CWC seemed to indicate that this is the case so over to you now.

funny how the OP can remember the coupon but not the way the events was played out an totaly ignored your questions says alot

Cindy

[rockycatt]

Let me ask Douchebag & LaHooti something.

If I steal $1 from you and buy a lottery ticket with it and win $1M, do the winnings belong to you?



Obviously Club World, and others, should get a professional to write their T & C's, but until then they should adhere to the ones they have, with their normal meanings in contract law.

interesting , i believe the winnings from that scenario money goes back to lottery were it can be won by a qualified player

[gambblex]

mstrike1978: I would really recomend that you see a lawyer .

!!!



This should be the first ever thought .

Even despite everything looks OBVIOUS.

I don't overrate my mental abilities and knowledge.

But there is a PLENTY of oppotunities to introduce our lawyer friends to somebody else

@OP-no matter what the outcome will be.

I prefer to KNOW.Not to BELIEVE

Good luck!

[skiny]

Only 20 pages of posts debating whether or not a guy gets to keep his winings after playing blackjack on a slots only bonus?

I honestly don't know what the hell people are thinking sometimes.

We spend years weeding out the casinos that won't pay us even when we win fair and square. Then we push to have all the vague terms and conditions removed by casinos that are deemed fair and honest so the rules aren't open to interpretation when we do win.

Then we just go ahead and break the rules anyway and expect to get paid?

At what point do we say the casino has done it's part and the player needs to take responsibility for his own actions?

[mstrike1978]

funny how the OP can remember the coupon but not the way the events was played out an totaly ignored your questions says alot
Cindy

Wow. Thank you for the benefit of the doubt. If you log into the cashier section of the software, you can view your history and see the coupon you used. I've already said I don't remember the plays chronologically, and even if I thought I did, I would rather see the computer logs anyways.

[LaHutti]

Let me ask Deucebag & LaHutti something.

If I steal $1 from you and buy a lottery ticket with it and win $1M, do the winnings belong to you?



Obviously Club World, and others, should get a professional to write their T & C's, but until then they should adhere to the ones they have, with their normal meanings in contract law.

I'm sorry, but that has got to be the stupidest thing I've seen in a very long time.
So you're saying, because I didn't shoot you, while you were comitting your crime, you get to keep the loot, and you think that's good ???
Well I may be out $1 in your scenario, and you may be up $1M, but does that make it a smaller crime ?
A big difference is that the casino has the means to stop you from keeping the loot a long time after the crime has been committed, and they did.....and you have a problem with that ?????
This thread is so far out now, that I think I'm pulling out, regardless of the entertainment value.

[just play]

interesting , i believe the winnings from that scenario money goes back to lottery were it can be won by a qualified player

No the guy who stole the $1 gets the winnings. He bought the ticket (even if he stole the dollar) he could have found $1 on the ground and then bought the ticket, it doesn't matter where he got the $1 from, he bought and won the ticket.