Villa Fortuna - MAFIA TERMS

[poser]

Just be warned, there is a term at Villa Fortuna, I didn't believe my eyes when I saw it:

Inactive accounts WILL NOT receive balance payments for wins.
An active account requires that a player deposits a minimum of $/?/€20 per week, and that the deposit is wagered through 20X. (All table games and Video Poker excluded from meeting the wagering requirements).

You can ALSO keep your account active by depositing $/?/€80 and wagering it through 20X at least once a month. Again all table games and Video Poker games are excluded from wagering).


Well, thats wagering requirements on normal deposits AND if you happen to play there and havn't played a month, they can always say: "ehh, ehh, you will not receive a single coin...your account is sleeping..."

You really have to wager 1600€ on Slots only per month, or you will not receive any winnings??

What if you deposit 80, and cannot meet the 1600 (not too uncommon) ? You have to deposit more and then wager it again 20 times ?????

Oh MY GOD, Microgaming should kick'em out !! FAST!

[winbig]

Another nail in the coffin for Grand Prive....it seems they care nothing about trying to make right with affiliates, so why should they screw players any less?

There's a ton of sites, CM included, that have the whole lot of GP casinos listed as rogue.

[Mousey]

GP has reached a new low when I didn't think that was possible...

All I can say is...

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by poser

Just be warned, there is a term at Villa Fortuna, I didn't believe my eyes when I saw it:

Inactive accounts WILL NOT receive balance payments for wins.
An active account requires that a player deposits a minimum of $/?/€20 per week, and that the deposit is wagered through 20X. (All table games and Video Poker excluded from meeting the wagering requirements).

You can ALSO keep your account active by depositing $/?/€80 and wagering it through 20X at least once a month. Again all table games and Video Poker games are excluded from wagering).


Well, thats wagering requirements on normal deposits AND if you happen to play there and havn't played a month, they can always say: "ehh, ehh, you will not receive a single coin...your account is sleeping..."

You really have to wager 1600€ on Slots only per month, or you will not receive any winnings??

What if you deposit 80, and cannot meet the 1600 (not too uncommon) ? You have to deposit more and then wager it again 20 times ?????

Oh MY GOD, Microgaming should kick'em out !! FAST!

This is pretty much a fee for having the account of 80 per month. What about "responsible gambling". This MUST ultimately fall to Microgaming to deal with, they cannot be seen to tolerate such incredibly predatory terms. This term is only there because the casino intends to use it on some occasions.
Previously, terms relating to inactive accounts have allowed 180 days to pass, and only charge fees as a deduction on balances left behind, and the player can take some of the blame for not making sure all their monies are accounted for.

In effect, a player could take a break from playing, either generally, or at individual casinos, and for a mere few weeks at Villa Fortuna, and them return and have all losing deposits taken without comment, but with the possiblilty of payouts being refused based on this term.

In terms of responsible gambling, there may be spells where there is not any spare money for weeks to months, and it is right that the player should be able to stop gambling, and return the next time they have some money to spare.

There are now TWO very serious issues with Grand Prive, yet Microgaming seems not to care - shown by their inaction on the previous issue, which is essentially a breach of contract between a business and a number of it's promoters, surely not something Microgaming would tolerate if it were THEY that were told they would not be paid for the rights to use the software despite payment being agreed in the initial contract.

It seems the industry sinks lower and lower, and if someone does not take action, it wont only be the US banning them, other governments will be queueing up to implement bans based on reports of such predatory terms, breaches of contract, and general "we are outside the law" approach some casinos have to their business.
There are a large number of countries where these casinos are technically illegal, but are tolerated because the governments have more important issues to worry about. If problems increase, then the issues will become "mainstream", and the majority who do not play online, or even understand it much, will be demanding action from governments to deal with the "menace" of unaccountable offshore casinos taking money and there being little a player can do if they renege on the bets, or cheat players by rogue "smallprint" that would normally never be allowed anywhere near a consumer contract.

[jetset]

Unreal - it is staggering that an online gambling group that has been around as long as Grand Prive can even consider this sort of crap.

It's almost as if they want to chase players away - something they have probably managed to do with their many other reeally stupid moves.

[poser]

I see I'm not the only one who just cannot believe it.

How can they be so stupid?

[zebedy]

im not suprised , ive just found out who the new CEO of grand prive is

[winbig]

Originally Posted by zebedy

im not suprised , ive just found out who the new CEO of grand prive is

Hmm, don't you mean these guys?

[Simmo!]

Just a small note on this I discovered when writing it up: the rule only applies to players awaiting balance payments on wins over $10k, which is maximum monthly withdrawal limit. It's still bad, but worth noting.

xhttp://www.villafortuna.com/en/terms/terms_promo.aspx?lang=en&btag=V2_A2

14. PAYOUT PROCEDURE AT VILLA FORTUNA CASINO:

All wins under $/?/€10,000 will be paid out in one lump sum as soon as possible.

For POUND (?) accounts all wins over ?10,000 will be paid out as follows: ?10,000 up front, with the balance paid out in maximum increments of ?10,000 per month thereafter.

For EURO (€), CANADIAN DOLLAR (CAD$) and US DOLLAR ($) accounts all wins over $/€10,000 will be paid out as follows: $/€10,000 up front, with the balance paid out in maximum increments of $/€10,000 per week thereafter.

Inactive accounts WILL NOT receive balance payments for wins.
An active account requires that a player deposits a minimum of $/?/€20 per week, and that the deposit is wagered through 20X. (All table games and Video Poker excluded from meeting the wagering requirements).

You can ALSO keep your account active by depositing $/?/€80 and wagering it through 20X at least once a month. Again all table games and Video Poker games are excluded from wagering).

And the same term is applicable at ALL GP casinos btw (ie: Big Dollar (xhttp://www.bigdollar.com/tc_bonuspromo.asp)

And interestingly, a casino I've never heard of called "Mandarin Palace" which must be tied in to GP too as the T&C's are identical. xhttp://www.mandarinpalace.com/terms-and-conditions.html#player-warrants

[GrandMaster]

Originally Posted by poser

Just be warned, there is a term at Villa Fortuna, I didn't believe my eyes when I saw it:

Inactive accounts WILL NOT receive balance payments for wins.
An active account requires that a player deposits a minimum of $/?/€20 per week, and that the deposit is wagered through 20X. (All table games and Video Poker excluded from meeting the wagering requirements).

You can ALSO keep your account active by depositing $/?/€80 and wagering it through 20X at least once a month. Again all table games and Video Poker games are excluded from wagering).

This is evil. Basically, you need to lose 80 credits a month on average in order to receive you own money. This is the sort of thing you expect from dodgy casinos based in Costa Rica, but Villa Fortuna is approved by ecogra and by the Maltese LGA. Perhaps someone could ask ecogra to comment on this (I would do it, but ecogra consider me the leader of the anti-ecogra forces in the world and won't talk to me.)