Betfair Casino bonus problem - bogus PAB - bot use

[zuga]

Originally Posted by Komodo

yeh, rigth... I would like to see you play 5000 hands in just a couple of days
Also Im pretty certain no human bein on this planet can play BJ for 12 straigth hours with optimal strategy in every hand.

LOL thats all i have to say

[Jufo]

Originally Posted by Komodo

yeh, rigth... I would like to see you play 5000 hands in just a couple of days
Also Im pretty certain no human bein on this planet can play BJ for 12 straigth hours with optimal strategy in every hand.

On faster softwares you can play 5000 hands in about 6-8 hours. I have completed a wagering requirement of 100 000$ in one evening. Chartwell software is slower though.

Originally Posted by Komodo

You beat the game with bot+bonus. Anything unclear?
Just the bonus wont help, since you still have to do all the work.
The bot is not innocent, since it does all the work and also employs optimal strategy which you probably dont.

Playing optimal strategy in BJ involves no skill at all. What the bot does is just save time and effort. You could teach your dog to press the correct buttons and the end result would be the same.

I do agree that bots are harmful to the industry in general. However there is a difference between reserving the right to void winnings and actually applying this clause without proper reason/evidence.

[Komodo]

Originally Posted by Jufo

On faster softwares you can play 5000 hands in about 6-8 hours. I have completed a wagering requirement of 100 000$ in one evening. Chartwell software is slower though.

Most of the gamblers dont have neither your ability or balls to wager 100k in an evening.

Originally Posted by Jufo

Playing optimal strategy in BJ involves no skill at all. What the bot does is just save time and effort. You could teach your dog to press the correct buttons and the end result would be the same.

First there are a skill factor. Its not that big, but there is one.
Combining that with a bots extreme speed and stamina, then you can abuse every casino out there who make generous offers or promotions.

Originally Posted by Jufo

I do agree that bots are harmful to the industry in general. However there is a difference between reserving the right to void winnings and actually applying this clause without proper reason/evidence.

If they have proof of him using a bot, I think it is a proper reason.

[Roar]

Originally Posted by Komodo

You beat the game with bot+bonus. Anything unclear?
Just the bonus wont help, since you still have to do all the work.
The bot is not innocent, since it does all the work and also employs optimal strategy which you probably dont.

You can beat the game with a bonus and no 'bot'.

You can beat the game with a bonus and a 'bot'.

You can NOT beat a game without a bonus playing with a 'bot'.

You can NOT beat a game without a bonus or a 'bot'.


We don't need Columbo to detect the culprit.

There seems to be a consensus building that playing without a 'bot' will render the life of online players a little more miserable inasmuch they will suffer a higher rate of loss.

The rhetorical question that comes to mind is to what extent does the prohibition of 'bots' fulfill the Casinos obligation toward 'Responsible Gambling'?

Does the 'Responsible Gambling' charter, to which BetFair are apparently fully committed, seek to reduce an individuals propensity to loss? To what extent does the prohibition on 'bot' play promote 'Responsible Gambling' and likewise reduce an individuals propensity to financial loss?

Seems to me the prohibition of 'bots' is all about increasing the chances of loss in direct contradiction to the objectives contained within so called 'Responsible Gambling'.

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[Komodo]

Maybe you think poker bots and superusers should be allowed too???
After all it just saves time and effort since the games are beatable and most players will lose their money anyway?

Betfair rigthfully dont allow bots for bonus wagering.
You can make a hundred other post and explain how much you love the bots if you want, but it doesnt change the fact that it is prohibited.
If OP did use a bot he deserve to lose his money.
To state that bot use is not an advantage is just ridiculous.

[zuga]

Originally Posted by Komodo

yeh, rigth... I would like to see you play 5000 hands in just a couple of days
Also Im pretty certain no human bein on this planet can play BJ for 12 straigth hours with optimal strategy in every hand.

Just recently i played at Betfair, deposited 75 euros and got 70euro bonus. It took me around 4h to clear the wagering requirements playing 3X5euro hands, some 5 a hand and 3x1euro a hand(BJ of course).The software was so slow , and thats why it took me that much to meet WR. If i was to play 1 a hand it would probably take me a couple a days to meet the playthrough(playing several hour per day)
So Komodo something is telling me you have never played BJ online...

[GaryWatson]

Its the bonus system that needs to be changed.

Open for abuse by both the site and player.

I dont see the point of using a bot if the casinos did their sums right and stopped offering off the wall bonuses.

[Shocked]

Originally Posted by Yblomm53

Here's the story:

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Pfft.

You must have made well over a grand excluding bonus and deposit by using the bonus they provided (I presume you just did the big bets at the start as 4x246=984) and you're moaning about £246 that you were quite willing to lose anyway? If you were playing other games or you consistently betting high then I'd agree that it's unfair, but risking promotional cash then doing tons of small bets does sound dodgy..and frankly, I'd stop moaning and just enjoy that huge amount of money you got - many places would just return your deposit.

My 2p

[Komodo]

Originally Posted by GaryWatson

Its the bonus system that needs to be changed.

Open for abuse by both the site and player.

I dont see the point of using a bot if the casinos did their sums right and stopped offering off the wall bonuses.

Why would they want do that if these promotions make money for them???

[GaryWatson]

Originally Posted by Komodo

Why would they want do that if these promotions make money for them???

Not Betfair specifically.

Im talking more of players taking the playthrough to the letter and being labeled a bonus abuser.

If a site is crazy enough to offer a player the edge. That will only invite players to abuse (take advantage of the bonuses).

I dont see a bonus as a money making method. Only as a way to extend play.

Most of us realize that bonuses are there as incentives to play.

I consider it entrapment if a player is given an edge over the house.

That's not how bookmakers and casino's work, nor has it been for 100's of years. Why change now?

A BookMaker makes the "books". They are only accountants, keeping the house edge to maintain profits.

If a bookmaker offers me 3/1 for both horses on a 2 horse race, I will snap their fingers off. That is not abuse. That is piss poor bookmaking.

So I say if a player can gain a house edge over a Casino because of the bonus structure, then they havent done their accounts right. They deserve to lose. It's not abuse.

As for the bot thing, they should be extinct if bonuses were set up right. Who wants to lose quicker without getting the pleasure of playing the games.