RTG Information Forum

**Pinababy69** · 6th January 2007, 07:12 PM

DC, while I absolutely commend your efforts, I have to agree with Bryan's post that there are reputable RTG operators out there, who don't deserve to be painted with the same brush. And VWM used a great term, "collateral damage".

I agree that the software provider should take some responsibility for their licensees, no question.....I also think that if these casinos lost their influx of business, they'd either have to shape up or ship out. And who is responsible for that?

Players who are new and don't know any better,
Players new and old who know better, but just CAN'T resist that 1000% bonus coupon,
Players who know very well they are taking their chances playing there, but for whatever reason like to tempt fate,
And my personal favourite....shady webmasters/affiliates, who wouldn't know a "scruple" if it walked up and smacked them in the head.

The industry as a whole needs to take some responsibility for itself (notice I said "some"), and that includes players, affiliates and casinos, everyone. Not all casinos are evil, not all players are evil....but there are plenty of both. Haven't made up my mind on affiliates yet...

In any event, these are just my thoughts....I really do wish you success. The industry could use someone who generally seems to give a shit about it's overall success. And making a software company accountable is surely a good thing, IMO.

**dc9999** · 6th January 2007, 11:31 PM

According to the REVISED ICE exhibitor list, RTG is no longer participating!

SO...for all of you RTG "apologists" out there, what's your tune now?

Oh I know, they're too busy working on that top notch Hastings BV site.

C'mon guys. lets stop the BS and ADMIT that RTG has officially become BIG TIME bush leaguers!!!!!

**Pinababy69** · 7th January 2007, 12:06 AM

Hmmmmm, definitely food for thought DC. Maybe you should have been a little "quieter" about your intentions, lol.

I'd like to hear Bryan or Jet or Spear shed some light on this....if they have any info?

**soflat** · 7th January 2007, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by dc9999

According to the REVISED ICE exhibitor list, RTG is no longer participating!

SO...for all of you RTG "apologists" out there, what's your tune now?

Oh I know, they're too busy working on that top notch Hastings BV site.

C'mon guys. lets stop the BS and ADMIT that RTG has officially become BIG TIME bush leaguers!!!!!

Why'd you go and blabber your ICE intentions all over the internet?

Seconly, who are ALL of those RTG apologists you refer to?

**Casinomeister** · 7th January 2007, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by soflat

Why'd you go and blabber your ICE intentions all over the internet?

Secondly, who are ALL of those RTG apologists you refer to?

dc9999 - I think you're getting a little whacked out. I just checked the ICE exhibitor page and they are still being listed. If it has changed, please provide an URL.

You refer to RTG apologists - I have no idea what you are referring to.

If you are referring to me, watch your step. I have been highly critical of RTG operations and have worked diligently on trying to better the online gaming environment for those who chose to play at RTG casinos. Don't think for a second that the Montana Disputes center wasn't set up from pressure from me. Step back two or three years and you'll know what I'm talking about. Hastings is in the works - hopefully its materialization will happen soon.

Also, I have been in touch with RTG on these matters. For you to state that they are not communicating with me is false.

**Pinababy69** · 7th January 2007, 01:53 AM

Thanks Bryan, that's why I wanted to hear from you or Jet or Spear....or someone who actually knows something of what's going on.

DC, while your intentions may be honorable...you do need to chill out a bit (JMO, for what it's worth). You are coming across a bit fanatical.

**kyleb** · 7th January 2007, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by Pinababy69

DC, while your intentions may be honorable...you do need to chill out a bit (JMO, for what it's worth). You are coming across a bit fanatical.

The bottom line is that nothing is getting done on a significant amount of RTG issues on this board that have been listed for months (see my Powerbet thread in Non-Bonuses for an example). The RTG operators like Shark are obviously online, but refuse to comment on any of the issues at hand.

Saying that King Solomon's, Bodog, and Main Street Group are operating well and saying that "not all RTG's are bad" paints a very small group of the RTG spectrum in a good light. In fact, the maxim of "don't let a few bad apples spoil the bunch" should be reversed - the vast majority of RTG operations (even previously reputable ones) are not honest and do not pay out when the player wins.

The exception to the rule is getting paid by an RTG casino. This is what the OP means, and I fully agree with him. I know Bryan is doing what he can to help us out, but the current state of RTG operations is absolutely inexcusable. Period.

**kyleb** · 7th January 2007, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

Also, I have been in touch with RTG on these matters. For you to state that they are not communicating with me is false.

While this may be true, we have absolutely no idea where you or the RTG operators stand on any of the issues because they never respond to support emails, PAB's, PM's on your site, or public posts in the forums.

It should be obvious why people like the OP are freaking out - there is a complete lack of communication on all sides here, including yours. I understand that you can't fully disclose all the details, but when we hear nothing from anyone on the myriad of issues about RTG's, it's frustrating.

**Pinababy69** · 7th January 2007, 03:12 AM

Kyle, I don't disagree with alot of what you say. I was only trying to make the point that DC9999 may want to keep his head on straight is all. I've been where he is....which is where you become so wrapped up in something that it almost seems you are obsessed with it. I've just found that sometimes cooler heads prevail, that's all.

Now...on to my original reason for posting again. I decided to go and check out the ICE site myself. Bryan, far be it from me to disagree with you, or question you....but I don't see Realtime Gaming, or RTG, listed anywhere as an exhibitor. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place, which is totally possible. I'm not familiar with the site or with the exhibition itself. Here is the URL I am looking at:

http://www.ice-exhibition.com/104/203/590/611/

I don't see RTG in the drop down list of exhibitors, nor did they come up when I sorted by "Gambling Software" providers. I see Microgaming, Playtech, Wagerworks et al. Am I looking at the wrong site? I just googled ICE 2007 and that's what I came up with.

**dc9999** · 7th January 2007, 03:21 AM

Here's the ICE link I was provided.

http://www.ice-exhibition.com/104/203/590/611/

I don't see RTG listed as an exhibitor.

And as far as being a "fanatic"..

Perhaps if folks expressed as much disdain with the "Oliver Currans" of the online gaming world instead of sending out numerous barbs against myself and others who have been screwed royally for months by RTG powered sites, we'd be enjoying a better industry.

Incidentally, my remark relative to RTG "apologists" was not intended for the forum moderator, rather for those individuals who keep contending that the RTG execs are merely wet-behind-the-ears "software developers" who have no control over their licensees.

Again, I'd love the opportunity to discuss these issues/concerns in a legitimate and controlled setting. Unfortunately, RTG and by extension Crystal Palace, have elected to hide in the shadows.